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Bryce is going to be a good QB btw...


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1 minute ago, frankw said:

Then that's not a first overall pick.

Have you asked yourself where this point guard talk came about? It's a nice way of saying game manager. Has anyone ever held the top pick and told the world all they seek with it is a game manager?

Tepper and his yes men are bumbling idiots.

Tepper wants sycophants, it makes him feel important.

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It’s like people are surprised we got blown out despite predicting it.

 With a balanced attack Bryce looked as comfortable as ever.  They need to keep finding that balance-hard to do against the best offense in the league. 
 
 Bryce still has a ways to go finding out what works in this league.  Him checking into a screen on a needed 1st down was not great, as well as trusting players to get a 1st when throwing behind the lines.  

  He did show some nice pocket movement, but still hasn’t figured out just how quick nfl players are.

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16 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

They wanted a point guard, they got a point guard.  In the right offense, Bryce could be very good.  In an offense that's about taking shots down field and going vertical versus horizontal...he'll bust.

Which means when you play teams with elite offenses (mostly the top teams) and you cant keep up or come back from being down. We are still screwed. 

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3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

My comp would be Ty Detmer in his two seasons with Philly.  Not a horrible QB and very serviceable, but not your franchise QB.

Yea I wasn't trying to compare him to a specific QB in terms of style of play or ability, more just his role in the NFL universe.

I think he'll end up being that guy that teams try to sign when they have a rookie they want to sit for a season or if they're in that middle ground of not bad enough to want to punt on the season but not good enough to be true contenders.

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17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just don't think he has the prerequisite physical tools to succeed outside of a Dolphins or Niners type situation.

He doesn’t, but fans will be fans and block out the obvious. I bought some of the hype in preseason but have since sold it. He’s a very limited physical specimen and not an elite NFL talent. The Teppers sold the farm for an average at best QB. 

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23 minutes ago, frankw said:

Reich and Fitterer must go.

The Tua comp makes sense on the surface but Tua's YPA is basically twice what Bryce Young's is and that has to change regardless of all extenuating circumstances.

It is NOW. Wasn’t the case early on. It improved when the situation around him did.

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5 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

My comp would be Ty Detmer in his two seasons with Philly.  Not a horrible QB and very serviceable, but not your franchise QB.

I was thinking more like Jeff Garcia in his Pro Bowl years as a floor. He was seemed less gimmicky than Flutie but still had the "I-can't-believe-this-dude-is-in-the-NFL" stature that Bryce will always have.

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23 minutes ago, frankw said:

Reich and Fitterer must go.

The Tua comp makes sense on the surface but Tua's YPA is basically twice what Bryce Young's is and that has to change regardless of all extenuating circumstances.

Maybe because he is throwing to Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle and Bryce is throwing to Adam Thielen and DJ Chark, with one of the best offensive minds in football designing and calling plays

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