[GRAPH] Bryce's accuracy + separation for WRs

[Icege]

 

They have got to find a way to get this kid some weapons.

[*FreeFua*]

These charts can be misleading

There are numerous examples where Bryce isn’t pulling the trigger on throws with guys open

His slow processing time is definitely attributing to some of the separation issues on these graphs 

 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

These charts can be misleading

There are numerous examples where Bryce isn’t pulling the trigger on throws with guys open

His slow processing time is definitely attributing to some of the separation issues on these graphs 

 

Even with those skewing it to a degree, this is pretty terrible data. I’d say both correlate too. If WRs aren’t separating and dropping passes with CBs sitting on predictable routes then rookie QBs are going to get more hesitant to throw the ball. His footwork isn’t going to get better either until we fix the interior of the OL. We need a new center and depth for when BC returns. BC’s injury killed our OL. 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Even with those skewing it to a degree, this is pretty terrible data. I’d say both correlate too. If WRs aren’t separating and dropping passes with CBs sitting on predictable routes then rookie QBs are going to get more hesitant to throw the ball. His footwork isn’t going to get better either until we fix the interior of the OL. We need a new center and depth for when BC returns. BC’s injury killed our OL. 

I really don’t think the OL has much to do with his overall footwork

The game is moving way too fast, he’s processing slow and he’s becoming scared/hesitant. His footwork will improve if his processing time speeds up and he begins to trust what he sees. Right now it’s all a mess and imo it starts with his brain

[Ricky Spanish]

12 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

These charts can be misleading

There are numerous examples where Bryce isn’t pulling the trigger on throws with guys open

His slow processing time is definitely attributing to some of the separation issues on these graphs 

 

Be honest though, there's WAY more examples of the WRs not getting separation than there are of Bryce not pulling the trigger. That's not even all on the WRs, that's on the scheme doing absolutely nothing to give them space to work with.

The offense is a mess top to bottom.

[CPF4LIFE]

Yay...more "this aint on bryce" charts. It seems like we get one of these after every loss. Very informative. 

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Be honest though, there's WAY more examples of the WRs not getting separation than there are of Bryce not pulling the trigger. That's not even all on the WRs, that's on the scheme doing absolutely nothing to give them space to work with.

The offense is a mess top to bottom.

I agree this entire thing is a mess but Bryce deserves some of the blame for sure

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

I agree this entire thing is a mess but Bryce deserves some of the blame for sure

All you have to do is watch the breakdown from the bears game.  Kid is not there mentally.

[WhoKnows]

This is also for passes 5+ yards downfield. Young has a 63% completion rate so not horrible there but he also has the lowest YPA by far of starters at 5.4. Only Daniel Jones was also below 6 YPA.

He barely throws the ball deep so of course he’s going to skew more accurate. Our WRs are poo so they aren’t helping him at all but this graph is borderline useless for Young because he throws downfield less than any starter in the NFL.

[d-dave]

I do agree that this needs more context because even an idiot with a TV (hey, that's me!) can see that Bryce shares his fair share of the blame.  But even then, Bryce shouldn't be sitting in the top left.  He does need more help.  He also needs to play faster, that would help his WRs.

I do think that Bryce is very accurate and has the ability to play with great anticipation.  There has just been a train wreck of a season which has him thinking too much, overthinking, and not playing fast and lose.  Part of that is him, part is the scheme, part is the rest of the offense, and a large part is the vaunted coaching staff.

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Yay...more "this aint on bryce" charts. It seems like we get one of these after every loss. Very informative. 

Yeah damn analytics WTF do they prove. Bryce shares plenty of the blame but so does our staff/offense as a whole. 

[Bear Hands]

That's such an outlier metric wise. It's also telling that the guys on the chart that are the furthest outliers are in very unique situations.  

Mac Jones: Genuinely terrible

Jimmy G: Genuinely terrible

Bryce Young: Has the 3rd lowest YPA in the modern era for starting QBs (min 8 games), but his first read is rarely open

Tua: Highly effective offense he's running, his first read is often open.  But he's also going above and beyond on deeper throws this year.  

[demcj]

this chart can be misleading since it only shows his actual throws.  young is indecisive and slow to react. this is not on the receivers.

on plays where he doesn't think and just reacts, receivers are miraculously open. it's the reason why he's so effective in an up tempo offense.

this offense would be so much more effective if it was a run heavy, play action scheme. it takes pressure off the offensive line, and it puts young more in his element when it's time to pass the ball.

[Prowler2k18]

25 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I really don’t think the OL has much to do with his overall footwork

The game is moving way too fast, he’s processing slow and he’s becoming scared/hesitant. His footwork will improve if his processing time speeds up and he begins to trust what he sees. Right now it’s all a mess and imo it starts with his brain

Ironic since his “processing” was supposed to be a major asset. Just goes to show you can’t expect a rookie to be a savior, especially with so little help on offense.