Steve Smith on the firings

[Jackie Lee]

7 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Should have just stopped there and not finished that sentence

When has the NFL been a sympathetic sport lol

[hepcat]

3 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Good point by Cam Wolfe that Bryce just too California laid back in the huddle/getting the calls in for them to run effective pre snap motions. That combined with his lazy dropbacks/crazy footwork/hopping in the air to throw is gonna be tough to fix. Almost like you just want a completely different QB

It’s a panthers tradition to hike the ball with 00 on the play clock. I can’t remember a time the panthers offense wasn’t taking every possible second of the play clock to get the play set and the ball in play 

[hepcat]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah sorry, but that whole thing of yours about how he said all that before the season even started just to protect Frank in case things went bad is still some of the dumbest sh-t I've seen on here

Yes, Brown wrote the playbook. He has influences from others but it was still his.

If it was Brown’s offense and playbook, he would have called the plays from the beginning and he would have been the one getting fired for the anemic offense instead of Frank. It was the same trash offense Frank Reich ran in Indianapolis. 

[Jackie Lee]

24 minutes ago, hepcat said:

It’s a panthers tradition to hike the ball with 00 on the play clock. I can’t remember a time the panthers offense wasn’t taking every possible second of the play clock to get the play set and the ball in play 

When Cam would go no huddle and march us 80 yards down the field in crunch time...

[stratocatter]

Look I want to be clear I did not want Reich. I never bought in to excluding half the candidates for NFL HC because of what side of the ball they were on as assistants. So, I was not an offensive only person. I am a CEO guy; I feel that NFL HC is just a different job than NFL OC or DC, and you need people suited for that job. Not their old job.  As an aside, it is why if Wilks sucks in SF as DC, it wouldn’t preclude me from hiring him for HC because I have seen him do that job well. 

Okay, to Frank Reich:

I did accept him once they passed on my guy Wilks. I was never excited, and once Young was the pick I was not much of a fan of anyone in the Panthers organization. No faith in their judgement. Okay. Great. 

That said: 

I don’t really agree that Reich was so ignorant or horrible and that he hired a bunch of ignorant and horrible people (it was Always going to take time, everyone was brand new practically). Which is becoming more and more the mass attitude it seems like. Pile on Reich. I don’t blame him for the quarterback being bad. I don’t blame the quarterback for being too small and physically inadequate, there is no shame in being short with an average college arm and good accuracy. It is what it is. 

Crux of it is I think Reich was caught up in an organizational hurricane that he had no idea how to counter or deal with. I’m gonna say he sort of shut down, froze, because he couldn’t’ see a way forward.  He could not endorse with a clear conscience, whatever he was being pushed to do, I believe, with the young quarterback. That he so obviously didn’t believe in. I think.

Could be wrong of course. Now, this is in his mind, I mean from his perspective, and  he could have been wrong. Regardless, we are about to find out real fast who is on the right track with this quarterback analysis. I think. Either that or we shut him down and go fetal position until the season is over. Get that 33rd pick yo!

Back to Reich I don’t think a competitive guy lets a crap OL stop him from stretching the field. He knows how important it is.

He keeps someone in, he shifts the ‘pocket’ left or right, he figures out a way to get it done. I give you Andy Dalton vs Seattle. 

But he isn’t doing it with the rookie. He isn’t, heh, wasn’t pushing Young in anything. I give you Dalton in for a sneak - Hell I bet Young went to Reich and complained about that lol. And that’s what happened there (Uhh, wait.. I am remembering he did push Young one time, about being a more take charge Leader. More vocal. More demonstrative. To speed it up, get the pace rolling, put some pep in your step).

But Reich was super over protective of that kid,. To the point of passive aggressive and dragged his feet (to avoid following orders, uh… suggestions) to the point of being fired. 

I am not really sure Frank was the yes man people need him to be. I think if he’d have been a yes man he’d still be coach. 

edit: It’s all some of the weirdest strangest stuff I have seen since following the NFL. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by stratocatter

[Stumpy]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

OP asked to let this go.

Still gotta get that last word in though...

[Byrdman4real]

6 hours ago, hepcat said:

If it was Brown’s offense and playbook, he would have called the plays from the beginning and he would have been the one getting fired for the anemic offense instead of Frank. It was the same trash offense Frank Reich ran in Indianapolis. 

This is what I been preaching 

[electro's horse]

11 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Bottom 5 in motion, bottom 5 in play action. Yeah trying to get a 5'10" to throw out of a static shotgun formation wasn't workin. They should just force him into under center play action/ throwing deep shots and see if he can do it or not. 

Lack of play action could have something to do with Bryce not wanting to look away from the field. Even when they do PA, Bryce half asses it and doesn’t sell it at all.

copers would say that he doesn’t trust his wide receivers to be where they’re supposed to be when he sets his feet and gets ready to throw. This doesn’t hold water because Bryce never sets his feet and can’t consistently hit throws. 
 

the more likely explanation is that Bryce never did it at Alabama and doesn’t know how to do it now. 

[frankw]

Yeah my biggest concern in all this talk of fitting the offense to Bryce's strengths is how poorly this has worked for Mac Jones in NE. And Jones was more successful between the two at Alabama.

Whether he ran it at Alabama or not you have to get Bryce running PA successfully. If he can't it does not matter who we hire from here.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Yeah my biggest concern in all this talk of fitting the offense to Bryce's strengths is how poorly this has worked for Mac Jones in NE. And Jones was more successful between the two at Alabama.

Whether he ran it at Alabama or not you have to get Bryce running PA successfully. If he can't it does not matter who we hire from here.

Pats fans on another board compared Bryce’s footwork to what has happened to Mac Jones in New England and it’s eerily similar. Bryce just doesn’t have McDaniels to help hide it for his rookie season. 

[CRA]

6 hours ago, stratocatter said:

Look I want to be clear I did not want Reich. I never bought in to excluding half the candidates for NFL HC because of what side of the ball they were on as assistants. So, I was not an offensive only person. I am a CEO guy; I feel that NFL HC is just a different job than NFL OC or DC, and you need people suited for that job. Not their old job.  As an aside, it is why if Wilks sucks in SF as DC, it wouldn’t preclude me from hiring him for HC because I have seen him do that job well. 

Okay, to Frank Reich:

I did accept him once they passed on my guy Wilks. I was never excited, and once Young was the pick I was not much of a fan of anyone in the Panthers organization. No faith in their judgement. Okay. Great. 

That said: 

I don’t really agree that Reich was so ignorant or horrible and that he hired a bunch of ignorant and horrible people (it was Always going to take time, everyone was brand new practically). Which is becoming more and more the mass attitude it seems like. Pile on Reich. I don’t blame him for the quarterback being bad. I don’t blame the quarterback for being too small and physically inadequate, there is no shame in being short with an average college arm and good accuracy. It is what it is. 

Crux of it is I think Reich was caught up in an organizational hurricane that he had no idea how to counter or deal with. I’m gonna say he sort of shut down, froze, because he couldn’t’ see a way forward.  He could not endorse with a clear conscience, whatever he was being pushed to do, I believe, with the young quarterback. That he so obviously didn’t believe in. I think.

Could be wrong of course. Now, this is in his mind, I mean from his perspective, and  he could have been wrong. Regardless, we are about to find out real fast who is on the right track with this quarterback analysis. I think. Either that or we shut him down and go fetal position until the season is over. Get that 33rd pick yo!

Back to Reich I don’t think a competitive guy lets a crap OL stop him from stretching the field. He knows how important it is.

He keeps someone in, he shifts the ‘pocket’ left or right, he figures out a way to get it done. I give you Andy Dalton vs Seattle. 

But he isn’t doing it with the rookie. He isn’t, heh, wasn’t pushing Young in anything. I give you Dalton in for a sneak - Hell I bet Young went to Reich and complained about that lol. And that’s what happened there (Uhh, wait.. I am remembering he did push Young one time, about being a more take charge Leader. More vocal. More demonstrative. To speed it up, get the pace rolling, put some pep in your step).

But Reich was super over protective of that kid,. To the point of passive aggressive and dragged his feet (to avoid following orders, uh… suggestions) to the point of being fired. 

I am not really sure Frank was the yes man people need him to be. I think if he’d have been a yes man he’d still be coach. 

edit: It’s all some of the weirdest strangest stuff I have seen since following the NFL. 

I would piggyback and more bluntly say that it’s  overlooked to a degree that Frank has never worked with a rookie.  He has worked with Pro Bowl vets….and he even acknowledged Andy had to ask for a different game plan and have more stuff put in.  

I don’t think this was Frank’s vision of how to “save” Carolina.   He got tasked with a rookie QB who needed a Bryce specific scheme.  I do think he wanted a Carr type.  And if he had a rookie probably wanted one that plugged into his bread and butter.  Frank wasn’t trying to reinvent himself and that was what the job ended up calling for 

[Ghostofdelhomme]

This team false starts with no motions, it will be a yellow towel fest of false starts and illegal men downfield once a true RPO is installed. 
Gotta swing for the fences though

 

[TheBigKat]

1 hr podcast.... that's a no go for me

[travisura]

1 minute ago, TheBigKat said:

1 hr podcast.... that's a no go for me

That's a very standard length for a podcast.