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The CAP is now $255.4 MILLION….. now pay Burns, Brown, Luvu and let’s get this ship righted

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2 hours ago, ClawOn said:

Totally fair. Guess I was thinking about the best currently like Bosa and Crosby at 26, Garrett at 28. Parsons 24.  Watt 29.  

Burns would be in his prime on a 5 year deal. The issue is investing in a player that might not be as invested as you want. 

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How do you statistically measure run stopping? Because Brian Burns had 16 tackles for a loss last season, 12th in the league for EDGE defenders. This, of course, is with arguably the least talented team in Panthers history where they were also the first team in the league to be eliminated from playoff contention.

Are we really going to fault Burns for taking care of his body when the team, for a majority of the season, had a single win?

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27 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Burns would be in his prime on a 5 year deal. The issue is investing in a player that might not be as invested as you want. 

Well there it is.  Does he seem like a dude who's going to fight until years 4 and 5 when maybe we're competitive?  Or does he seem like a dude who'll be "hurt" when it actually matters?

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Something I had no idea until I looked at our contracts is that we signed Jordan Matthews this past year.

Crazy, he was so promising early in PHI (3 seasons in a row over 800 yards) and found his way back on a roster in SF after a position switch to TE.  

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1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

Something I had no idea until I looked at our contracts is that we signed Jordan Matthews this past year.

Crazy, he was so promising early in PHI (3 seasons in a row over 800 yards) and found his way back on a roster in SF after a position switch to TE.  

Isn’t he Jerry Rice’s nephew? I wonder if we draft his cousin and extend him for a family reunion.
 

I actually have Jordan Matthew’s autograph because his worked with my dad in Georgia. He really fizzled out fast. Had to be injuries. 

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3 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

This link (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/jTuznjq4eG) has us as the 12th oldest from closer to the end of the year. Maybe releasing a guy like Houston helped, but either way we do not have a young roster and that’s likely because our drafting has been poo.

Poor drafting.. maybe talent acquisition as well.. only 4 of those players have double digit years of experience either. Def need to draft better forsure.

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10 hours ago, Steelo said:

Poor drafting.. maybe talent acquisition as well.. only 4 of those players have double digit years of experience either. Def need to draft better forsure.

Our poor drafting is reason #1 we are in this mess....poor trades is #2.....poor FA signings #3.....all of those point to Fitt, so hopefully we see major improvement.

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I would use the Non-Exclusive Tag on Burns.  Let him negotiate with other teams and if they make him an offer, we can either match it and keep him or refuse and get two 1st round picks for him.  Win / Win for us.  If another team thinks he's worth 2 first than they can offer him the 30 million he's asking for.  If a team offers him basically what we are offering him, we can match the offer and we get him for what we were offering all along. 

 

Non-exclusive tag

This is the most common tag used each offseason. Under the non-exclusive tag, the player is given a one-year deal based on an average of the top five salaries at the respective position over the last five years, or 120 percent of his previous salary, whichever is greater. So, it is cheaper than the exclusive franchise tag, but more expensive than the transition tag.

However, the player is free to negotiate with other teams. Should the player sign an offer sheet from another NFL team, the player’s current team has the right to match the offer. If they do not, they receive two first-round draft picks as compensation when the player leaves for a new team.

 

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44 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I would use the Non-Exclusive Tag on Burns.  Let him negotiate with other teams and if they make him an offer, we can either match it and keep him or refuse and get two 1st round picks for him.  Win / Win for us.  If another team thinks he's worth 2 first than they can offer him the 30 million he's asking for.  If a team offers him basically what we are offering him, we can match the offer and we get him for what we were offering all along. 

 

Non-exclusive tag

This is the most common tag used each offseason. Under the non-exclusive tag, the player is given a one-year deal based on an average of the top five salaries at the respective position over the last five years, or 120 percent of his previous salary, whichever is greater. So, it is cheaper than the exclusive franchise tag, but more expensive than the transition tag.

However, the player is free to negotiate with other teams. Should the player sign an offer sheet from another NFL team, the player’s current team has the right to match the offer. If they do not, they receive two first-round draft picks as compensation when the player leaves for a new team.

 

Nobody is doing that

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On 2/24/2024 at 1:34 PM, Panther0221 said:

It'd be such a Panthers move to trade the one guy in the locker room who actually seemed to give $hit. 

Brown doesn't?  You can take the emotional approach and I would agree, but in the era of salary cap moves, which is the point of the thread, you may not be able to keep what you want.  I do think, however, if we cut the entire bottom half of our roster, most would not be signed to other teams.

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17 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Brown doesn't?  You can take the emotional approach and I would agree, but in the era of salary cap moves, which is the point of the thread, you may not be able to keep what you want.  I do think, however, if we cut the entire bottom half of our roster, most would not be signed to other teams.

I think he meant Brown, not Burns. It would be just like the Panthers to trade Brown and pay Burns double what he's worth. 

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Just now, DaveThePanther2008 said:

You may be right; you may be wrong.  Either way if we are going to tag him this is the way to go.  If no one offers him a contract than we are in the driver's seat.  

if he was on his rookie deal still, then maybe.  But I seriously doubt a team is going to give up 2 firsts knowing he is going to cost 30 million.   If Burns has come off that number then we might as well try and sign him if its reasonable

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