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How short a leash will Young be on?

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10 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean all we got is what we got on him.  And you can trace it back to Seattle.  Wilson is a downfield thrower.  Always a heavy/top air yard QB going downfield. That’s the Canales background and resume to date.  

I mean, I would think if the goal was to do something new catering to Bryce vs doing what you do….you would’t draft Leggette with your first pick.  Basically an Evans/DK deep ball guy and draft some route runner like Ladd to get the ball out quick.  

Jamo and Metchie helped Bryce look better as a deep thrower. Drafting XL and Sanders who are great at adjusting and catching challenged passes isn’t terrible idea if you have a QB who is working on his deep ball accuracy. At the end of the day you have to be able to challenge a defense vertically. We are putting players on offense to help Bryce do that. Throw in a solid running game to help keep defenses honest and it’s not a bad way to see if Bryce can make these throws. If he can’t we simply find a QB who can. As for the quick passes we have DJ and now a RB with decent hands coming out of the backfield. We are attempting to build a complete offense IMO. 
You can’t complain that our running plan is trying to hide our subpar QB but then say we drafted the wrong weapons because they need the QB to throw it deep. Wouldn’t throwing a bunch of quick WRs to dink and dunk down the field essentially being doing the same thing in hiding our QB’s weakness? 

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Given how many a proponents of tanking we have I would assume the same would be in favor of riding Young the whole way.

He's either playing well or bad enough to get a high pick. No?

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On 4/28/2024 at 2:36 PM, carpanfan96 said:

This team is being set up to run 35-40 times a game. Passing when not off play action will be quick half field reads as much as possible. Most of the game he’s going to be handing the ball off and making one/two read progressions off play action. 
 

that’s what I meant by hiding him. They’ve already said they will need all three rb’s and all will see the field. 

 

On 4/28/2024 at 2:36 PM, carpanfan96 said:

This team is being set up to run 35-40 times a game. Passing when not off play action will be quick half field reads as much as possible. Most of the game he’s going to be handing the ball off and making one/two read progressions off play action. 
 

that’s what I meant by hiding him. They’ve already said they will need all three rb’s and all will see the field. 

I agree with the thinking is to run more. I think that is one reason the concern was not as much with Icky. He performed much better his rookie year when it was more straight ahead smash mouth football. 

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5 hours ago, jasonluckydog said:

Not saying he needs to set up a press conference but the media picks up on these types of things. He needs to be the leader of this team and show he is committed to winning especially after last season. 

Who gives a flying fug about the media? Just because something isn't on blast doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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5 hours ago, SCO96 said:

While I agree with you to a point, I think the routes were simplified to deal with Bryce's physical limitations. I think we would have seen much more creativity in the offense if we had a big armed QB behind center like Stroud, Richardson, or Levis.

If you take time to watch that video on page 6 of this thread, you'll see that Bryce was terrible on the deep pass last year. 

 

Teams quickly figured out that he wasn't able to throw deep with consistency and not a threat to throw outside the numbers unless it was a short curl or a bubble screen. You really only had to drop 10 yards and take the area between the numbers. Even if we had receivers last season that could get better separation, the opposing team still would have been able to defend our passing plays because it's easy to sit on the routes.

We'll be picking a QB again next draft. 

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On 4/27/2024 at 10:07 AM, Fenrir said:

The issue is that there aren’t any elite QB prospects next year. I think his leash is longer than a lot of fans realize…

Yes this was the year...

At best we will get 7 wins with Young in any given year.This is face saving mode for the next 2 yrs as we wait for a chance to get a top QB.

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9 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Jamo and Metchie helped Bryce look better as a deep thrower. Drafting XL and Sanders who are great at adjusting and catching challenged passes isn’t terrible idea if you have a QB who is working on his deep ball accuracy. At the end of the day you have to be able to challenge a defense vertically. We are putting players on offense to help Bryce do that. Throw in a solid running game to help keep defenses honest and it’s not a bad way to see if Bryce can make these throws. If he can’t we simply find a QB who can. As for the quick passes we have DJ and now a RB with decent hands coming out of the backfield. We are attempting to build a complete offense IMO. 
You can’t complain that our running plan is trying to hide our subpar QB but then say we drafted the wrong weapons because they need the QB to throw it deep. Wouldn’t throwing a bunch of quick WRs to dink and dunk down the field essentially being doing the same thing in hiding our QB’s weakness? 

I don’t know about that….when we drafted him I basically conceded we would largely be playing small ball.  That’s just what I have always thought Bryce was going to be.  A dink and dunk PG.  Playing a version of old Drew Bree’s’ game but maybe not that extreme.  To date, I think that’s supported.  

Bryce might of thrown some deep balls on a stacked Bama roster in college but even then it wasn’t really his thing and his accuracy was bad.   He doesn’t have the NFL tools to really challenge downfield as part of his bread and butter in the NFL.  He isn’t going to be a chunk yardage.  Not sure why anyone would want to be trying that.  That’s not playing his strengths.  

I just feel it’s more bad marriages. And we are doing what we do. Convincing ourselves it isn’t what it is.  But I do concede Canales is young and we don’t know his OC.  So maybe they will switch it up and not be what we have seen from then.  I just think Leggette is a sign that it isn’t the case. 

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25 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don’t know about that….when we drafted him I basically conceded we would largely be playing small ball.  That’s just what I have always thought Bryce was going to be.  A dink and dunk PG.  Playing a version of old Drew Bree’s’ game but maybe not that extreme.  To date, I think that’s supported.  

Bryce might of thrown some deep balls on a stacked Bama roster in college but even then it wasn’t really his thing and his accuracy was bad.   He doesn’t have the NFL tools to really challenge downfield as part of his bread and butter in the NFL.  He isn’t going to be a chunk yardage.  Not sure why anyone would want to be trying that.  That’s not playing his strengths.  

I just feel it’s more bad marriages. And we are doing what we do. Convincing ourselves it isn’t what it is.  But I do concede Canales is young and we don’t know his OC.  So maybe they will switch it up and not be what we have seen from then.  I just think Leggette is a sign that it isn’t the case. 

I’m just not 100% sure that’s his specialty. He 8.8 and 8.9 YPA in college, AR was 8.3 and 7.8, Stroud was 10.1 and 9.5 and OSU loved the deep ball. If you give him time and weapons he wasn’t afraid to test the defense. I think people get caught up in the deep passes of 25 plus which yeah the QB has to get it up there but a lot of that is also on the WR. Some of the better deep ball passers usually have deep ball WRs who can track and adjust to make the catch in traffic if needed. I think we tried to get a couple of those in XL and Sanders. Now if you think Young physically can’t do that at this level then yeah that’s an issue and I’m not sure we will last as a full time starter. There is no need to hide it or avoid it though. We need to know. A lot of it is simply confidence and timing. People were skeptical of Tua throwing to Hill but he got the timing down. 

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59 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I’m just not 100% sure that’s his specialty. He 8.8 and 8.9 YPA in college, AR was 8.3 and 7.8, Stroud was 10.1 and 9.5 and OSU loved the deep ball. If you give him time and weapons he wasn’t afraid to test the defense. I think people get caught up in the deep passes of 25 plus which yeah the QB has to get it up there but a lot of that is also on the WR. Some of the better deep ball passers usually have deep ball WRs who can track and adjust to make the catch in traffic if needed. I think we tried to get a couple of those in XL and Sanders. Now if you think Young physically can’t do that at this level then yeah that’s an issue and I’m not sure we will last as a full time starter. There is no need to hide it or avoid it though. We need to know. A lot of it is simply confidence and timing. People were skeptical of Tua throwing to Hill but he got the timing down. 

Bryce’s arm issues in the NFL aren’t just seen deep.  Even basic out routes.  If Bryce Young isn’t set….he doesn’t really have a NFL caliber arm to do what we have come to expect in today’s NFL IMO from #1 overall caliber QBs

I keep saying I think Bryce in a good scenario can eventually be good.  And I have been on record since before last kicked off we weren’t doing what we should to help him succeed when people were fanboying over the all star staff, Miles Sanders , etc.  So I don't think I am a true Bryce hater.  But his tools limit his ceiling..  I just don’t see how we can’t accept that.   It’s not his fault but the reality is the situation is he was drafted #1 overall….and it comes with different judgement and criteria vs other QBs IMO.  

 

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18 hours ago, CRA said:

Canales wasn’t exactly running something new age last year.  Offense probably more built for Jake Delhomme than Bryce Young. 

it wasn’t a very good or efficient O….that was largely kept alive by Baker chucking it downfield.  He lead the league in pass attempts 20+ yards in air downfield. 

Leggette is 100% a match.  

Bryce? Nothing IMO about his offense last year screams Bryce Young

Not sure that had anything to do with my point but I tend to agree with everything you said

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