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7 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Big fan of this guys content, been watching for years.

Eats his crow about how he was wrong about his high opinion of the team last year.

Solid breakdown and goes in depth everywhere. Very complimentary of what we have done this offseason.

Also there's this bit about the QB position at around 43:30:

He goes on to talk about the guard play was the worst in the league, the play design sucked, the play calling sucked, the WRs couldn't separate, there was no run game, and on top of it all there was a ton of bad luck that made things go from bad to worse whether it be bad spots from refs, fumbles on successful looking drives, big plays being called back, and unfortunate and untimely drops.

Everything that could go wrong last season, did go wrong.

That's why I'm not completely writing Bryce off yet, even though many already have. See what he does with even competent level supporting cast and coaching. Here's to hoping Canales and co can provide at least that much.

he also points out that the tippy toes thing hurts his accuracy and the long slow drop back due to his size doesnt do the tackles any favors.

 

All in all its a mess. 

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All this talk of the supporting cast and coaching being the culprits of our struggles is just sounding like the rationalizations of Sam Darnold's time with the Jets.

I'm ready to see the results and know what we have. Enough talk.

Thank goodness June is finally upon us.

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I feel largely the same way I did entering last year.  What we are attempting to be on O.....doesn't matchup with Bryce Young.   Scheme nor talent. 

I think Canales would pair much better with a young Jake Delhomme.  And Johnson and XL would be great additions for a young Jake Delhomme.  It would be fun. 

Bryce is going to make this OL look worse.  He is too small to be in a traditional pocket/scheme at this level.   Bryce Young needs an innovative/Bryce Young centric O scheme to succeed with a bunch of quick YAC check down talent.  That's not Canales. 

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Haven’t watched it yet, but whining about the line (which wasn’t nearly as bad as the Young fanboys’ narrative says it was) and the pass catchers is the siren song of people who refuse to admit they were wrong about Young during the draft process. I still hope Young is able to develop, but I’m not expecting it. 

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7 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Haven’t watched it yet, but whining about the line (which wasn’t nearly as bad as the Young fanboys’ narrative says it was) and the pass catchers is the siren song of people who refuse to admit they were wrong about Young during the draft process. I still hope Young is able to develop, but I’m not expecting it. 

The OL, receivers, and Bryce were all terrible in non-exclusive fashion. That said yeah, Bryce's play in particular sure compounded some of the issues. 

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18 minutes ago, KSpan said:

The OL, receivers, and Bryce were all terrible in non-exclusive fashion. That said yeah, Bryce's play in particular sure compounded some of the issues. 

No disagreement from me. My disagreement comes when people try to say Bryce was bad BECAUSE of the other two. They weren’t good, but they also weren’t prohibitively bad. He could have shown something with what he had, if he was any good. 

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not completely writing off Bryce but I'm 99% sure he just doesn't have the physical talent to succeed in the NFL.

i'm 100% sure that he had didn't have the talent to give him a shot last year or an honest and legit assessment of what he can bring to the table. 

he might be (probably is) limited on what he can do...but that picture is incomplete.

the only thing we could tell from last year was what he looks like when he has to carry the team by himself because he's got no real support from the cast of players or coaches around him. and i don't care who you are, if you have no help from the team around you...you are going to look bad, especially if you are a rookie.

last year we saw him in the worst case scenario. we saw his floor. if the situation gets better we will see him get better and get off the floor. it's just a matter of how far off the floor he can get, but i imagine it will be a good bit higher off the floor than many think. 

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6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i'm 100% sure that he had didn't have the talent to give him a shot last year or an honest and legit assessment of what he can bring to the table. 

he might be (probably is) limited on what he can do...but that picture is incomplete.

the only thing we could tell from last year was what he looks like when he has to carry the team by himself because he's got no real support from the cast of players or coaches around him. and i don't care who you are, if you have no help from the team around you...you are going to look bad, especially if you are a rookie.

last year we saw him in the worst case scenario. we saw his floor. if the situation gets better we will see him get better and get off the floor. it's just a matter of how far off the floor he can get, but i imagine it will be a good bit higher off the floor than many think. 

Talented players show flashes of that talent regardless of the overall surrounding situation. 

What I saw from Bryce last year told me that we should probably never expect a lift from him. He'll take us as far as the team around him can carry him.

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1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Haven’t watched it yet, but whining about the line (which wasn’t nearly as bad as the Young fanboys’ narrative says it was) and the pass catchers is the siren song of people who refuse to admit they were wrong about Young during the draft process. I still hope Young is able to develop, but I’m not expecting it. 

Our IOL play last season was about as bad as you’ll see in the NFL. 

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Talented players show flashes of that talent regardless of the overall surrounding situation. 

What I saw from Bryce last year told me that we should probably never expect a lift from him. He'll take us as far as the team around him can carry him.

contrary to what was expected of him from pre-draft hype or where he was drafted or what it cost to move up there....he was just a rookie in the worst imaginable situation.

that's what we saw...a rookie in the worst situation a rookie could be in. there's no way i can pass judgment on what he did last year because of that. 

again, it's probably true that most people in here are a lot smarter than me and it doesn't take more than one season of a rookie in the worst possible situation to know that he's never going to amount to poo, or to at the least know that he's never going to be one to count on, but that's not where i am. i don't judge people in their worst moments when the deck is stacked against them.

if i'm going to judge at all, i do it when i see how they respond in the next moment. 

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