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Cowboys Trade for Jonathan Mingo


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1 hour ago, strato said:

No kidding. But he does have a background defending them including Mike Vick iirc. Looked it up, drafted the same year (2001). 

The thing that got me so much is these defensive guys like Luke putting praise on Bryce Young when you cannot tell me that he would not have been salivating to see him across the LOS. I do not buy their praise. 

I do think that while he was small, Bryce looked solid coming out of Alabama against top competition. A lot of people didn't see checkdown king in his future at that time lol.

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7 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

Marshall and Mingo both were 2nd rd picks and neither is with us anymore

*To the tune of Queens 'Another One Bites the Dust'*

Dum, dum, dum,

Another 2nd wideout busts...

Dum, dum, dum,

Another 2nd wideout busts...

And another one's gone and another one's gone,

Another 2nd wideout busts...

Hey, he's a failure too,

Another 2nd wideout busts!

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8 minutes ago, PantherBoy95 said:

I do think that while he was small, Bryce looked solid coming out of Alabama against top competition. A lot of people didn't see checkdown king in his future at that time lol.

He played at Alabama under one of the winningest coaches of the modern era. They beat the brakes off small schools because they're Alabama and Bryce could pretty much do whatever the hell he wanted behind that OL against that level of competition. But those games against Georgia and LSU stand out. That's how Bryce has looked in the NFL. Simply overmatched. That's why when you trade up to #1 for a QB you take the guy with the phsyical traits and the best arm. You play games and gamble on a point guard or the next Steph Curry and this is what you get.

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5 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

Even though a ravens 5th and a panthers 6th is like 3-7 picks apart?

Keeping Johnson and losing him in the offseason and not getting anything in return is worse. At least we got a pick out of this. Even if we pick a long snapper in the 5th it contributes more to this team. And who says we are going to use the Ravens pick, this is just more ammo for Dan to package into a deal and maybe move up. He has shown that he's not afraid to wheel and deal in the draft. 

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Jonathan Mingo to the Cowboys

Cowboys receive: WR Jonathan Mingo, 2025 seventh-round pick

Panthers receive: 2025 fourth-round pick

Dallas Cowboys logo Dallas Cowboys: C

Leave it to Jerry Jones to wait until after Dak Prescott is injured to go after another receiver.

To be fair, the Dallas Cowboys have a real need for the position. CeeDee Lamb is a superstar, but Jalen Tolbert and Brandin Cooks haven't been the needle movers that the Cowboys were hoping for. Making a trade for a receiver wasn't a bad move, but the player that the Cowboys gave up three rounds of value to acquire is questionable.

Jonathan Mingo checked a lot of physical and athletic boxes as the 40th-overall pick in 2023. Unfortunately, the 6-foot-2, 220-pound wideout has struggled to be a productive receiver at the NFL level. Some of that has to do with playing for the Carolina Panthers, but Mingo has seriously lacked efficiency at the position.

Mingo has yet to record his first NFL touchdown, catching 55 passes for 539 yards. Per TruMedia, he has just 0.74 yards per route run in his career, which ranks 177th out of 186 receivers with at least 50 targets since the start of the 2023 season.Even though Mingo fills a need, that's a lot of value to give up for a receiver that's struggled so much at the NFL level. The good news is that he still has a couple more years on his rookie deal, so at least the Cowboys are getting a cheap developmental project to learn from a star like Lamb.

Carolina Panthers logoCarolina Panthers: A

Instead of trying to hold onto Mingo, the Panthers took what they could get, and that turned out to be way more than expected.

Mingo quickly became expendable thanks to the rapid ascension of rookie receiver Xavier Legette. Along with a larger-than-life personality, Legette has hauled in 26 catches for 244 yards and four touchdowns. Three of those touchdowns have come in the last four games, with Legette becoming more and more of a focal point in Carolina's offense.

For a team that needs to capitalize as much as possible on draft assets, moving up three rounds in the draft to move on from a disappointing draft pick feels like an absolute win.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-trade-deadline-2024-grading-every-move/

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4 minutes ago, frankw said:

He played at Alabama under one of the winningest coaches of the modern era. They beat the brakes off small schools because they're Alabama and Bryce could pretty much do whatever the hell he wanted behind that OL against that level of competition. But those games against Georgia and LSU stand out. That's how Bryce has looked in the NFL. Simply overmatched. That's why when you trade up to #1 for a QB you take the guy with the phsyical traits and the best arm. You play games and gamble on a point guard or the next Steph Curry and this is what you get.

Yeah I'm not into college as much, so I admit not to having my own opinion about him coming out.
But strictly watching ESPN shows, and going off of commentary at the time..It was a lot more 50/50 even on this board than what people like to remember and admit. 
Yes many people had doubts and questions, but MANY people also thought he could possibly be the one.
I was only versed enough to know that it was between he and CJ, but most pundits made it sound like either way we had a QB of the future, just different skillsets/traits.

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2 minutes ago, PantherBoy95 said:

Yeah I'm not into college as much, so I admit not to having my own opinion about him coming out.
But strictly watching ESPN shows, and going off of commentary at the time..It was a lot more 50/50 even on this board than what people like to remember and admit. 
Yes many people had doubts and questions, but MANY people also thought he could possibly be the one.
I was only versed enough to know that it was between he and CJ, but most pundits made it sound like either way we had a QB of the future, just different skillsets/traits.

I think the worst thing you can do is rate them strictly against college competition. You have to look at their game and superimpose it over the NFL template. Short version, his didn't fit at all. 

 

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10 hours ago, CRA said:

Panthers are run by Tepper.  Cowboys are run by Jerry.  I chalk this up to two idiotic owners meeting up vs Dan Morgan being savvy.  Because nothing about Dan says Dan is a good deal maker.  

We probably should only deal w/ the Cowboys, Raiders, etc. 

we can be each others farm team 

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