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Bryce contingency plan?

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10 minutes ago, strato said:

We don't need stats when we watch every play and know what happened.

For instance a couple three weeks back people listed his downfield numbers after a game or two and we watched him throw a rainbow ball that I think Coker came down with. 

That was like one of the two throws past maybe 15 yards that he had completed. It looks great on the sheet, you can point to his progress,  but it was a wing and a prayer that worked out. The progress is that he at least threw the ball downfield so we had a chance, where he would choke on that previously. 

It is completely about his footwork, let's just see what happens.

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He's got some ugly balls and he's got some crazy good ones. Several of his KC throws were intense and he's had a decent number of difficult throws he's made the last few weeks. 

I think a lot of people see "rainbows" and believe it's poorly thrown. That's not necessarily true.

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I may be in the minority here, but I still don't think he will be here next season. He has done better but he still isn't playing like a #1 pick. I think his trade value is increasing and that's what they are hoping for.

You usually only get one shot at being GM, I don't think Morgan is going to put his eggs into Bryce's basket. 

Now, maybe they keep him and have an actual QB competition next season instead of acting like he was out practicing Dalton which we all witnessed was likely a lie.

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There is no contingency plan; the Panthers will be better if Bryce becomes a good QB, so we are going to give him every chance to make that happen. As long as he is playing at a level above awful, he will continue to be part of the plan because drafting a new QB essentially means starting over and neither the coach or the GM is going to make it though that. 

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5 hours ago, mav1234 said:

He's got some ugly balls and he's got some crazy good ones. Several of his KC throws were intense and he's had a decent number of difficult throws he's made the last few weeks. 

I think a lot of people see "rainbows" and believe it's poorly thrown. That's not necessarily true.

I think you can say that if it's damn near every throw that isn't 5 yards. Lol 

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42 minutes ago, countryboi said:

There is no contingency plan; the Panthers will be better if Bryce becomes a good QB, so we are going to give him every chance to make that happen. As long as he is playing at a level above awful, he will continue to be part of the plan because drafting a new QB essentially means starting over and neither the coach or the GM is going to make it though that. 

And what makes you think this? 

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2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

And what makes you think this? 

Coaches and GMs are closely tied to their QBs and their choices at the position. The only thing that might possibly save Canales and Morgan is that they didn't choose Bryce, but the reality is, if he fails, one of them is most likely going to get fired, that's just the NFL. Then consider that we are the Panthers and have had 5 head coaches in three years and 7 since 2019, along with 2 GMs.

It doesnt look great. 

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32 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Coaches and GMs are closely tied to their QBs and their choices at the position. The only thing that might possibly save Canales and Morgan is that they didn't choose Bryce, but the reality is, if he fails, one of them is most likely going to get fired, that's just the NFL. Then consider that we are the Panthers and have had 5 head coaches in three years and 7 since 2019, along with 2 GMs.

It doesnt look great. 

I hold the opinion that the people fired over Bryce Young are already gone. 

And the only way he gets Morgan fired is if we trade him (please) and he turns into enough to make us wish we hadn't let him go somewhere else.

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4 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

I'm hoping Bryce plays well enough to stick around. This team is still thin at offensive skill positions. So adding to that this off-season with some more pieces on D should be the plan. Dropping another rookie QB into this side would put straight back behind the 8 ball 

I'm thinking the same. A lot want to go all defense in the draft. That's okay if they bring in a vet #1 WR. Right now, it looks like David Moore is the best reliable target on the team. Let that sink in. Not exactly a good situation for another rookie QB. The oline is just ok at pass pro, so if they do bring in a rookie he better be able to run. That's the only way I can see him having success here right now. When is Sellers eligible again? 

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21 hours ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Call me nuts but I still think Sam Howell has a future and a huge upside. His first year starting in Washington with that crap offensive line, he performed pretty damn well. His TD's were up there as well as his passing yards. If he can control those Ints, he could be a very good QB in my opinion. Gun slinger mentality and not afraid to go for it. I still want him and still believe in him as well as have a feeling he could be had for cheap. His story is not yet written and the right coach could possibly get some serious production out of him. And no I am no Tarheels fan at all. I'm a fan of only one university because of my history there and ties to it so this is not a homer post. I simply respect his game.

 

He is better rehabbing his Winston/Favre tendencies as a backup for a couple of years at successful franchises. His path to starting(and likely failing again) in Carolina would be far too short with us.

TO prone gunslingers have not been in demand in the NFL for quite some time. It's not the talent that is the issue, it's the crippling TO's. If you want a QB like that, why not take the far more successful, talented and experienced Jameis Winston?

For all the lionizing of Sam Darnold here, same basic thing, TO prone(his TO's/game are actually UP on the season).

That's an outlier that has "worked" so far but ultimately you don't normally see TO prone QB's have long term success in the modern NFL. The margins are too small.

For context, BTW:

TO's Per Game Career

Darnold: 1.30

Winston: 1.14

Howell: 1.28

 

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On 11/30/2024 at 4:56 PM, fanpanther said:

I must have young bias bc everytime he takes the field all i see is modern day jimmy clausen.  He is 32 in qbr in the league.  He had a few ok games and several horrific games.  J fields failed with bears and pitts dont see how he would become better with the panthers.  I will say staying put with young and bringing in fields at a high salary does sound like a tepper move though lol. With all that said if panthers win remaining games and young passes fof 300 yards and looks good then i will return to admit i was wrong.  

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This list also says that drafting a QB in the first round and playing him early doesn't work anymore. 6 out of 10 were 1st round picks with the last few years. Jones is the oldest one but he started his first season too I think. 

So, probably drafting another 1 this season doesn't change anything for us for several seasons. No matter who is. 

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6 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

For the start of this year I’ve always assumed Geno would be our QB next year 

I still think that

You could even have Bryce sit another year. No harm in that he’s still really young 

I desperately want to move on from Bryce and I'd still rather roll with Bryce than trade for Geno or sign him as a FA to start if he's released. That would just seem like waving the white flag and shooting for mediocrity as the ceiling.

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3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

For the start of this year I’ve always assumed Geno would be our QB next year 

I still think that

You could even have Bryce sit another year. No harm in that he’s still really young 

I think that will depend on how Young finishes the season. Let's say he plays well enough in their minds to keep him another season. In that case I think they look to draft someone later in the draft if one falls in their laps as a shot in the dark. They will probably try to keep Andy for another year. If Young doesn't show anything convincing going forward then I think they clean house. 

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