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Serious question: Jameis Winston or Bryce Young straight-up?

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Depends on the kind of offense you are running and team you have. Winston can perform better on a team with an elite defense that can erase his mistakes(which will come). But, turnovers are also anathematic to modern NFL offenses. Winston also doesn't have any more upside. He has reached 100% of his potential as a player. He's a cannon armed, TO prone gunslinger that will make insane plays that few in the league can and he will throw INT's that will make middle school QB's blush. You'll live and die by his decisions.

Bryce is a fairly ceiling limited and far less developed player. He will never be able to make the insane throws or comebacks or do any of the wild things that Winston does. He also won't be all too often heaving crippling INT's. He is a guy that can MAYBE effectively manage a game and put you in positions to win, with the right people around him and the right sort of team. 

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Depends on the kind of offense you are running and team you have. Winston can perform better on a team with an elite defense that can erase his mistakes(which will come). But, turnovers are also anathematic to modern NFL offenses. Winston also doesn't have any more upside. He has reached 100% of his potential as a player. He's a cannon armed, TO prone gunslinger that will make insane plays that few in the league can and he will throw INT's that will make middle school QB's blush. You'll live and die by his decisions.

Bryce is a fairly ceiling limited and far less developed player. He will never be able to make the insane throws or comebacks or do any of the wild things that Winston does. He also won't be all too often heaving crippling INT's. He is a guy that can MAYBE effectively manage a game and put you in positions to win, with the right people around him and the right sort of team. 

Although I think you're not entirely wrong, I'll say that Bryce has seemed very, very good with comebacks the last few weeks. And nothing ruins a comeback like a turnover - which Winston just loves.

He's had like 8 TDs and 8 INTs in the last four games, lol. And 4 of those TDs (and 3 INTs) came in just 1. 

I just don't think he's a wise player to have as more than a backup, while the jury is now out on Bryce (he got a retrial after a guilty verdict was overturned in appeal, it seems)

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Not a comparison that makes sense. They are at completely opposite stages of their careers.

Still. With all the hopium in the air right now it is worth noting that while as a passer he is known for his boneheaded decisions currently Jameis Winston is 20th in passer rating while Bryce Young sits at 41.

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18 minutes ago, frankw said:

Not a comparison that makes sense. They are at completely opposite stages of their careers.

Still. With all the hopium in the air right now it is worth noting that while as a passer he is known for his boneheaded decisions currently Jameis Winston is 20th in passer rating while Bryce Young sits at 41.

QB rating doesn't care about interceptions very much as long as there's also TDs. In general, coaches don't see it that way... Or Winston wouldn't be on his third team. Plus over the last 4 games Bryce has an average QB rating of 85 and Jameis has an 80.  But imo Jameis has had tougher opponents (and his team has thus score less than us). So... We will see how Bryce goes.

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23 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

QB rating doesn't care about interceptions very much as long as there's also TDs. In general, coaches don't see it that way... Or Winston wouldn't be on his third team. Plus over the last 4 games Bryce has an average QB rating of 85 and Jameis has an 80.  But imo Jameis has had tougher opponents (and his team has thus score less than us). So... We will see how Bryce goes.

Jameis has more experience. But while Jameis has always had dicey decision making at best he's always had that big play home run potential at any given moment. Fair or not we're still waiting to see that from Bryce. And that's what separates the two of them as first overall picks.

No offense or disrespect to anyone else but as a Panthers fan who has seen a lot I don't consider that a sample size compared to the whole body of work but that's just my opinion. We're talking 25 total games. To me a true sample size will be the last 4 games paired with the remaining games on the schedule. If Bryce can sustain consistency throughout that whole stretch then we have something to build on. But  I refuse to deal in these hopes revolving around 4 games or less. Seen it with Kyle Allen. Seen it with Teddy Bridgewater. And realistically we can name any number of QB's who have strung together a handful of impressive games but ultimately faded back to the norm. We will have to wait and see which category Bryce lands.

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