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I know most of y'all want defense but currently at pick 4...

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We need to go DL. Graham absolutely took over games this year and was the focal point of a national championship level defense last year. It will instantly shore up our run game and the guy can rush the passer. Yeah let's go get another WR a year after spending our first on one. Dan Morgan shouldn't even be thinking that Madden type of bull! TMAC is not a generational talent as more and more analysts are citing his lack of separation as well as his struggles with physical DBs. This is a no brainer and the only reason we are talking WR still is because XL currently has the dropsies. 

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I like TMac or Hunter. This team really needs an inside backer, but this draft isn’t great for that. I do like LB Carson Schwesinger if he comes out for round 2. He’s the real tackling machine and we need a volume tackler. 
 

Mason Graham is great, but for a top 5 pick it’s meh because the DL are not the playmakers in this scheme. You can find 3-4 ends on the scrap heap to plug the line, he gives you an added element because his hands and strength are elite for shedding. I don’t think he’s big enough for nose.

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22 minutes ago, Tbe said:

We need a WR in FA.

Bryce needs someone with experience.

Not another developmental rookie.

Either take one of the 2 best WRs in the draft or go defense.

T-Mac wouldn't be a developmental rookie, this isn't drafting a raw WR in the late first or early 2nd who needs to work on a lot of things before they can make an impact, but any edge rusher we might draft in the 1st round would be.

This isn't a good free agent WR class, there's Higgins and then a big drop off, and even then, Higgins isn't a true elite #1, more of an elite #2 or low end #1.  It's much easier to find impact defensive players in free agency these days than on offense, teams make sure to lock up their offensive weapons before the defensive ones.

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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

T-Mac wouldn't be a developmental rookie, this isn't drafting a raw WR in the late first or early 2nd who needs to work on a lot of things before they can make an impact, but any edge rusher we might draft in the 1st round would be.

This isn't a good free agent WR class, there's Higgins and then a big drop off, and even then, Higgins isn't a true elite #1, more of an elite #2 or low end #1.  It's much easier to find impact defensive players in free agency these days than on offense, teams make sure to lock up their offensive weapons before the defensive ones.


im good drafting one if he’s day one starter.

He’d have to be a high 1st rounder though.

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1 hour ago, No Maam said:

Not a great WR draft Tmac wouldn’t be top 5 in last years draft.. It seem like a mistake going against the strength of the draft which is Defensive.. 

Pay money for a Vet WR who can be a number 1.. 

For starters, there isn't going to be any #1 WR available in Free Agency.  Higgins will be the best option and he's going to want way more than we should be paying for a non true elite #1 Wr right now anyways.

And second, saying he wouldn't be Top 5 last year is a bit disingenuous.

QB's went 1-3 and then no WR was going to be drafted before Harrison with the hype around him (not to mention that neither of the 2 QBs who will go in the Top 5 this year would have been drafted ahead of last year's 6 QB's that went in the 1st).  So really there was only 1 possible draft slot for him to go in the Top 5 last year from that standpoint. 

Even beyond that, no, a Sophomore T-Mac of last year wouldn't have gone ahead of Nabers or Odunze.  But this year's T-Mac after another big season and year of getting better 100% would have been in the mix for the 2nd WR to be drafted if in the same class as those guys.

If T-Mac played for Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, etc, he would be viewed very differently by normal fans.  The fact that he played for a bad Arizona team that couldn't make a bowl game makes it hard for a lot of people to understand just how good he is and the bonkers numbers he'd put up if he had an elite QB and team around him.

He was the only option on a bad team, worse coaching staff, and nobody else to draw coverage and he still finished 3rd in the nation in yards and had more regular season yards than he did last year (came up 83 yards short of last year, but he also had 160 yards in the bowl game last year).

I've said it before, by the time T-Mac needs his 2nd contract, he's going to be universally viewed as a Top 10 WR with many people ranking him in their personal Top 5

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29 minutes ago, No Maam said:

Agree to disagree 

1. If you can get Higgins why not pay him?? It’s not like we don’t have the money to put into the Wr position..

2. Why are facts disingenuous?? We are literally talking about the best WR class in a decade 7 to 9 drafted in the 1st round.. He’s not going to have the scouting scores that Harrison, Nabers, Odunzee, Thomas or Ladd had.. He’s might have ratings lower the Mitchell Whorthy and Coleman as well.. And I forgot Ricky P..  It’s natural for this class to be weaker a year after so many WR’s came out last year.. Being the best in a weaker class is good for him but doesn’t automatically mean it’s a good thing and he is a number 1 on this team ..

3. You’re right about QB that’s why ppl are saying it’s a weaker class then last year..

4. The rest of this is fictional if’s but’s and excuses.. Plain and simple my point stands this draft is strong defensively which falls directly to a major need for this team .. Why fight against the grain when it’s a need and more talented players on that side of the ball??

LOL if you think he'd rank behind anyone you named after Odunze, and I think he's going to end up with draft grades in the exact same range as him and Nabers.  Just the fact that you think those other WRs would rank ahead of him is proof that you haven't watched enough of him to know him as a player, that's just comical.

Then that you don't think he'd be a #1 on the Panthers is also one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here, he's already better than any WR on our roster.  

And if Higgins were to sign here, we would have to make him a Top 5 paid WR in the league.  

Paying someone that kind of money who isn't worth the contract instead of spending it on vet defenders who can be impact starters from week 1 next year is exactly how you keep screwing up a franchise.

T-Mac is equally as good as Higgins right now, within a year or two of NFL experience it won't even be a debate anymore.  Spending the money he'd need to sign with us instead of drafting T-Mac and spending that money on defensive free agents would be a fireable offense for Morgan.

It can be a "down WR year" in comparison to last year given how many went in the 1st round, but that doesn't mean the players at the top of the draft wouldn't have been drafted highly last year (again, assuming this year's version of them, it's not fair to judge a Sophomore T-Mac last year against them as he's being drafted now).

Burden will go in the 12-15 range this year, he probably would have fallen back into the late 20's last year, but T-Mac and Hunter wouldn't, they might not be Top 5 because of those QB's and Harrison last year, but they'd have been Top 10 graded guys like Nabers and Odunze (who went over who would all come down to team preference I think, but all about the same grades).

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