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Are the Panthers still coddling Bryce?


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30 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I still think people look at how Bryce ended the season wrong.

Yes, he was clearly a million times better than he was as a rookie or even the start of last season, but he was still miles away from being some great QB.  He was a serviceable game manager who did some nice things, but he still wasn't a "#1 draft pick that you trade the farm for" type of player.

Again, I'm never going to root for his failure, I'm rooting for him to become the best QB in the league as long as he's a Panther.  But he's still more on the wrong side of the fence at the moment for being our long term QB solution, he has to prove he can be that FAR more than the opposite, as he hasn't done anything yet to earn that distinction. 

Again, he led the NFL in big-time throws with what was objectively might have been the weakest WR group in the league, including going toe-to-toe with both SB teams.

Some of these posts aren't grounded in reality.

Delusion then was not thinking Bryces career here wasn't in jeopardy after Week 2 of last year.

Delusion now is currently thinking Bryce hasn't done anything to prove he belongs both in this league and as the face of this franchise heading into next season

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1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

Again, he led the NFL in big-time throws with what was objectively might have been the weakest WR group in the league, including going toe-to-toe with both SB teams.

Some of these posts aren't grounded in reality.

Delusion then was not thinking Bryces career here wasn't in jeopardy after Week 2 of last year.

Delusion now is currently thinking Bryce hasn't done anything to prove he belongs both in this league and as the face of this franchise heading into next season

All those points are taken for sure, but its year 3 and he has won a grand total of 5 games.  I think what they are saying, all things considered, he has to make the jump into the top 10 of qb play for the entire year.  Nobody is diminishing what he did at the end of the year but now its put up or shut up time.

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1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

Again, he led the NFL in big-time throws with what was objectively might have been the weakest WR group in the league, including going toe-to-toe with both SB teams.

Some of these posts aren't grounded in reality.

Delusion then was not thinking Bryces career here wasn't in jeopardy after Week 2 of last year.

Delusion now is currently thinking Bryce hasn't done anything to prove he belongs both in this league and as the face of this franchise heading into next season

He had 2 games last year over 251 yards passing.

AFTER the benching he had 5 games of 203 yards or less and only 4 games over 203.

Trying to pull out whatever stat they use to call something a "big time throw" as proof that he's proven be belongs in the league as the face of a franchise is so much more of a delusional take than the opposite.

He improved his play after the benching, but trying to say anything more than that is the delusional take, sorry but those are the facts.

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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

He had 2 games last year over 251 yards passing.

AFTER the benching he had 5 games of 203 yards or less and only 4 games over 203.

Trying to pull out whatever stat they use to call something a "big time throw" as proof that he's proven be belongs in the league as the face of a franchise is so much more of a delusional take than the opposite.

He improved his play after the benching, but trying to say anything more than that is the delusional take, sorry but those are the facts.

How long before McMillan drops a pass and you blame Young?

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14 hours ago, Seltzer said:

Again, he led the NFL in big-time throws with what was objectively might have been the weakest WR group in the league, including going toe-to-toe with both SB teams.

Some of these posts aren't grounded in reality.

Delusion then was not thinking Bryces career here wasn't in jeopardy after Week 2 of last year.

Delusion now is currently thinking Bryce hasn't done anything to prove he belongs both in this league and as the face of this franchise heading into next season

pretty much this. for anyone with an open mind, it has to be perfectly clear that he proved himself worthy of the starting gig and we're going to be in good shape going forward. the benching was the wake up call/kick in the ass he needed. 

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Morgan & Canales have put in the work to fix the Oline & turned over a lot of rocks to hopefully improve the WR room. Now is the time for BY to put in the effort to improve & fix his flaws. Despite what some believe he has much to get better on. When his feet are right, he is top 10 QB, if not, a bottom 10. He just does not have the arm to overcome bad feet. He along with all of the other 1-2-3 year players need to be working on their game the whole off season, when the path to success is put down. Canales & all the coaching staff need to be pushing all the team to the extent the CBA allows. The last thing Bryce needs is to sit during preseason games.

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15 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

How anyone can look at the previous year’s roster and say it was all the QBs fault is teetering on a learning disability.

Bryce showed growth.  Hopefully he continues to develop.  The roster is improving so we should start to see better football.  All you can do now is wait and see.

And once again for the millionth time....nobody has ever said this. 

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They are trying to build around him but it's just an unimpressive build from every angle. Still looks like a team picking in the top 10 again next year.

Getting a new DC would have been a great step and help for him but they doubled down again on Evero. Better than Fritz build but nothing impressive at all with this team still today after another offseason of chances.

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