Observer Projections / *Updated Panthers Waiver Additions

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, Shocker said:

Any time you can pick up a free Hooker you do so

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Because Canales runs a chunk ball O scheme.  It’s what he did in Tampa.  What he did in Seattle.   And he largely is just going to be that.   

he acquires talent that fits that 

and Bryce Young will never fit that 

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-best-against-pressure-throwing-deep

Bryce is good under pressure and with the deep ball according to SI. Where do you get the idea he isn't? Your personal observations? PFF analysis? Just wondering.....

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Well, rubber up, of course. 

[07579394]

Need to upgrade S and ILB.

[Castavar]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, rubber up, of course. 

Naw, yolo that sh*t

[Navy_football]

28 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Naw, yolo that sh*t

[Camp Fodder]

13 hours ago, RockyTopVol said:

Love Hendon Hooker!! I know he had some struggles in Detroit, but I think he’s got the potential to be a solid backup. 

Agreed and this is the type of QB you pick up and try to develop. A QB that was actually good in college 

[CPcavedweller]

15 hours ago, frankw said:

We have that. His name is Jimmy Horn Jr.

We have ONE of seven who will not see the field on offense. Jimmy Horn also is more quick, than fast. He could probably have gone up to New England with Brady and been a puzzle fit, learning to run the Edelman, Dola, Welker route tree. He's not going to be asked to do that here. He's going to be asked to run a traditional route tree and just beat your man on your assigned route.

The comp for Bryce was Mahomes. Mahomes and Reid play a lot of backyard style football with plays drawn up on the fly. Brady used to do this with his quick hitters. I get Bryce is going into year three, but man, you really have to adjust to your personnel.

The team is still building as if we have a 6'4 QB starting and that's just not the case. 

[CRA]

11 hours ago, panthers55 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-best-against-pressure-throwing-deep

Bryce is good under pressure and with the deep ball according to SI. Where do you get the idea he isn't? Your personal observations? PFF analysis? Just wondering.....

this is where the Bryce defense goes off the rails for me. 

We all know Bryce isn't a deep ball chunk play QB.  He doesn't have those physical tools and he doesn't play the game w/ that mindset.  It simply is not what he is. 

Then you got folks going essentially going, well actually Shaq was a very efficient 3 pt shooter this season.  He shot 50% from behind the arc and Steph Curry was only at 48%.  So yeah, Shaq is a very effective 3 pt shooter.  Don't say he isn't a 3 point shooter.  Meanwhile, Shaq went 1 of 2 on the season and Steph shot 9343924 3s. 

Russell Wilson is a deep ball chunk QB.  Baker is. Geno was his comeback season (best in the league that year I think is the correct call).  That's the Canales pass tree. EVERY QB throws deep at some point.  Arguing you can find a good grade when they went deep one week is just that.   No one can argue Bryce plays the game like a young Wilson throwing f you hail marys downfield.   Jake Delhomme fits Canales more than any Carolina Panther QB. 

Teddy Bridgewater can grade out efficiently on his deep passes.  That doesn't make him a deep ball chunk QB.  2 totally different convos.   

It would be better for everyone IMO if our org accepted what the unicorn was and built a team around that given they invested so much in him.....which is the criticism I started day 1 when they put him in Frank Reich's offense.  He didn't fit that.  He doesn't fit the Canales tree either.   

NFL is about fit more than anything and it's what Carolina gets most wrong.  We essentially run offenses we don't have the QB talent for and you can say the same w/ the 3-4 D.  That's the Bryce era.  

[LinvilleGorge]

To put it in perspective, this is a deep ball thrower. Notice how the efficiency basically has minimal drop off regardless of range.

This is Bryce Young

The other QB is Joe Burrow.

[csx]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

We have ONE of seven who will not see the field on offense. Jimmy Horn also is more quick, than fast. He could probably have gone up to New England with Brady and been a puzzle fit, learning to run the Edelman, Dola, Welker route tree. He's not going to be asked to do that here. He's going to be asked to run a traditional route tree and just beat your man on your assigned route.

The comp for Bryce was Mahomes. Mahomes and Reid play a lot of backyard style football with plays drawn up on the fly. Brady used to do this with his quick hitters. I get Bryce is going into year three, but man, you really have to adjust to your personnel.

The team is still building as if we have a 6'4 QB starting and that's just not the case. 

The comp was Brees.

[panthers55]

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

this is where the Bryce defense goes off the rails for me. 

We all know Bryce isn't a deep ball chunk play QB.  He doesn't have those physical tools and he doesn't play the game w/ that mindset.  It simply is not what he is. 

Then you got folks going essentially going, well actually Shaq was a very efficient 3 pt shooter this season.  He shot 50% from behind the arc and Steph Curry was only at 48%.  So yeah, Shaq is a very effective 3 pt shooter.  Don't say he isn't a 3 point shooter.  Meanwhile, Shaq went 1 of 2 on the season and Steph shot 9343924 3s. 

Russell Wilson is a deep ball chunk QB.  Baker is. Geno was his comeback season (best in the league that year I think is the correct call).  That's the Canales pass tree. EVERY QB throws deep at some point.  Arguing you can find a good grade when they went deep one week is just that.   No one can argue Bryce plays the game like a young Wilson throwing f you hail marys downfield.   Jake Delhomme fits Canales more than any Carolina Panther QB. 

Teddy Bridgewater can grade out efficiently on his deep passes.  That doesn't make him a deep ball chunk QB.  2 totally different convos.   

It would be better for everyone IMO if our org accepted what the unicorn was and built a team around that given they invested so much in him.....which is the criticism I started day 1 when they put him in Frank Reich's offense.  He didn't fit that.  He doesn't fit the Canales tree either.   

NFL is about fit more than anything and it's what Carolina gets most wrong.  We essentially run offenses we don't have the QB talent for and you can say the same w/ the 3-4 D.  That's the Bryce era.  

Lots of opinion and no facts. Typical for you. You decide what reality is and run down that road regardless of the facts. Props for being consistent.

[Icege]

45 minutes ago, CRA said:

this is where the Bryce defense goes off the rails for me. 

We all know Bryce isn't a deep ball chunk play QB.  He doesn't have those physical tools and he doesn't play the game w/ that mindset.  It simply is not what he is. 

Then you got folks going essentially going, well actually Shaq was a very efficient 3 pt shooter this season.  He shot 50% from behind the arc and Steph Curry was only at 48%.  So yeah, Shaq is a very effective 3 pt shooter.  Don't say he isn't a 3 point shooter.  Meanwhile, Shaq went 1 of 2 on the season and Steph shot 9343924 3s. 

Russell Wilson is a deep ball chunk QB.  Baker is. Geno was his comeback season (best in the league that year I think is the correct call).  That's the Canales pass tree. EVERY QB throws deep at some point.  Arguing you can find a good grade when they went deep one week is just that.   No one can argue Bryce plays the game like a young Wilson throwing f you hail marys downfield.   Jake Delhomme fits Canales more than any Carolina Panther QB. 

Teddy Bridgewater can grade out efficiently on his deep passes.  That doesn't make him a deep ball chunk QB.  2 totally different convos.   

It would be better for everyone IMO if our org accepted what the unicorn was and built a team around that given they invested so much in him.....which is the criticism I started day 1 when they put him in Frank Reich's offense.  He didn't fit that.  He doesn't fit the Canales tree either.   

NFL is about fit more than anything and it's what Carolina gets most wrong.  We essentially run offenses we don't have the QB talent for and you can say the same w/ the 3-4 D.  That's the Bryce era.  

It's really, really strange how much I'm seeing folks down on Bryce repeating "NO EXCUSES!" for his failures while having nothing but excuses to try and invalidate his successes.

[Navy_football]

Bryce Young has been a tale of two QBs. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. To use stats and film prior to returning from being benched is a little disingenuous. Completely different players. Like a new BY returned. You could actually see him trying something new every week, that he was afraid to do before - and being successful at it. 

If he picks up this season where he left off, we'll have our franchise QB. And yes he was proficient against pressure. And yes he could throw the deep ball efficiently - with a couple of drops that NFL WRs shouldn't make. 

If he reverts back to the unsure and conservative Bryce from the first two games and most of his rookie season, then we'll be drafting a QB in the first round in 2026. No one knows which we'll get yet. Not even Bryce. My advice would be to stay aggressive going down field. The FO appears to be bringing in receivers that can win the 50/50 ball. That opens up routes underneath. Teams stop blitzing as much and keep a safety over the top. Now what if they had to keep two? It's a lot tougher to defend the middle of the field with LBs than Safeties. I get what they're doing. BY just has to play that game. I think he will. He did in college.