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OFFICIAL Week 1: Panthers @ Jaguars Game Day Thread


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10 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

i like Bryce and I like Canales. Neither of them deserve another year here. Bryce is a game manager and if you loosen the leash on him and make stupid calls like play action and 2nd and 2, instead of being a smart coach and running the ball again, you get what you deserve -- and that's Bryce making a poor decision and turning the ball over. Running an offense like he's going to carry you again will lead to Bryce Young, 2026 Steelers backup QB, and Dave Canales, 2026 Seahawks Offensive Consultant.

They are both pretty basic. One is just too limited in the NFL. 

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2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Our defense isnt good enough for turnovers deep in our own territory.  That TD was Bryces fault too

....I agree? lol didn't say it wasn't I'm talking about getting gashed up the middle of the field for 10 yards if the defensive line doesn't immediately make the tackle 

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The wildest thing about Bryce to me is that he really was the near consensus #1 QB available that year and I went back and watched a LOT of gameplay and came back saying "HOW?!" I'm watching receivers getting wide ass open and Bryce floating wounded ducks down the field and I'm like what is everyone seeing in this QB that I'm missing because I'm not seeing anything here that will translate to the NFL.

Then you go watch CJ Stroud slice through an HISTORICALLY good Georgia defense and it should have been an obvious pick. Even if you ranked them 1a and 1b, you go with the bigger QB with the NFL size. That pick will always baffle me. Tepper no doubt in my mind drove that Bryce pick

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5 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Anyone else just feel deflated right now? 

LBs look terrible, Bryce is still making very very bad mistakes, I just forsee this being another lost season. 

Hope I'm just being overly pessimistic 

Nope. Never thought Bryce was the QB of the future and Evero sucks as well. Didnt watch last season, not watching this season or again until this organization proves they arent dumb AF. Wont be surprised Canales is gone at the end of the year either depending how terrible the season ends. 

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