J Person article on Canales and game plan and Rico

[CRA]

29 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Frank was a guy who was headed into retirement and was lured into a nightmare setup for big money. Not a victim. Ohh and he worked the owner so hard he is srill getting g paid. He chose that over the fight at QB or with the owner. Easy call 

You constantly make excuses for Dave but are correct on the front office side. It's both. The DC ended Bryces career is a dead take at this point. It was the plan and they literally tried again this year when he was choking again. DC and Morgan knew what they wanted to do and what Tepper didn't allow the year before. If he wanted Young gone he wouldn't have been working on Young's technique, Tepper wouldn't know the difference. He also would have had another QB option other than Dalton who couldn't finish out a year. And he sure as hell wouldn't have repeated it this year. But he is just a HC right? It's not like a 'QB wisperer' wouldn't be consulted on resigning Dalton or what scrub they brought in...

The main problem is Tepper. Dave and Dan are symptoms of that. Neither are good and neither are terrible. Both have shown recent proof they are still on the Bryce train. Dave's time is always going to be short because he was never ready and all the hype was BS. Baker wasn't fixed, he got his head out of his own arse and was put in a good situation again. If Tepper demanded a pass first approach and he allowed that to happen then he is weak AF and is worse than I currently think. Yes he has a boss but you know what the rest of us do with a crappy boss? Whatever we can think of to work that mess while planning the next job option. 

 

I'm not painting Frank as some poor helpless victim.  If John Fox were to look like he couldn't coach an 10 year old rec team.......it's not because John Fox is a mentally challenge clown that doesn't know football suddenly.   There would be a glaring issue that isn't John Fox at play.  It's just reality acknowledging.  

It's the same old song and dance here.  It's Groundhog Day in terms of talking about the most glaring issue at any moment in time.    

Constantly making excuses for Canales? I've rarely ever have said a nice world about him.  I didn't like the hire.  I don't like his O. I don't like him being the OC/HC.  And I trashed the entire setup going into this season just like I did going into last season.  

my profile pic is what it is for a reason.  Nothing we can do about the Tepper problem.  Wasted talk. So I move on to the ones we can do something about.  So the biggest issue remains, Bryce and the folks in the front office that will have the worst draft pick of all time (all things factored) attached to their names in the NFL history books.  Until you solve that, nothing matters. 

[Gapanthersfan]

18 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Half of the roster?

We don't even have half of the starters that would start on most NFL teams. 

I also bristle at the idea of a "bridge" coach. That's letting Tepper off easy when it was juat plainly a bad fuging hire.

Especially when you have guys like Ben Johnson and Shane Steichen that aren't struggling this way.

Half of the starters are legit good NFL talent.

Tet, Coker, Ickey, Hubbard, Rico, Moton, Hunt, Lewis, Brown, JC Horn, Moehrig. 

Definitely still lacking in places and no where what I would call a good roster, but it has trended in a positive direction. 

Bridge is the only consolation I can give myself to cope with this gross coaching negligence in every aspect. There are/were so many better options that weren’t welcome here (Harbaugh/Payton) or never were going to be a part of this ish show (Ben, Shane, etc).

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm not painting Frank as some poor helpless victim.  If John Fox were to look like he couldn't coach an 10 year old rec team.......it's not because John Fox is a mentally challenge clown that doesn't know football suddenly.   There would be a glaring issue that isn't John Fox at play.  It's just reality acknowledging.  

It's the same old song and dance here.  It's Groundhog Day in terms of talking about the most glaring issue at any moment in time.    

Constantly making excuses for Canales? I've rarely ever have said a nice world about him.  I didn't like the hire.  I don't like his O. I don't like him being the OC/HC.  And I trashed the entire setup going into this season just like I did going into last season.  

my profile pic is what it is for a reason.  Nothing we can do about the Tepper problem.  Wasted talk. So I move on to the ones we can do something about.  So the biggest issue remains, Bryce and the folks in the front office that will have the worst draft pick of all time (all things factored) attached to their names in the NFL history books.  Until you solve that, nothing matters. 

The fact you still think he ended Youngs career last year vs the reality it was his and Dan's game plan all along is the excuse. That man went into a game leaning on Bryce while avoiding the run game because ' he wanted to build on Young’s record-breaking passing performance' in year 2 after watching the team win despite Bryce's limitations. Or is he so weak he allows Dan and Tepper to force his playcalling? 

You allow so little blame to fall onto him which is making excuses for him when there is blame ro assign to everyone. You look at DC like Tepper looked at Fritters in 22 or Dan in 23, which were both poor calls too. In reality is just a matter of how much blame should get assigned to who because no one is blameless in that mix. 

Wasted talk is trying to do the mental gymnastics to prove how blameless Dave is in the current mess. He is obviously one of the issues and the only reason to really keep him is because we would be left with hiring another bottom option given the way the team is run. 

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Dave ain’t it, but hopefully young is replaced first out the two since I’m sure both won’t be replaced at the same time 

[csx]

3 hours ago, csx said:

Canales is a fraud

I have eased up on this. He was incredibly stupid Monday. However I dont advocate firing. We cant keep doing that and expect better coaches.

He better have learned that obvious lesson 

[PanthersNCSU]

4 minutes ago, csx said:

I have eased up on this. He was incredibly stupid Monday. However I dont advocate firing. We cant keep doing that and expect better coaches.

He better have learned that obvious lesson 

Underrated part of all of this. Feel like it was Kaye that reported that NOBODY wanted to touch this job, so we had to go with someone not really even getting interviews/hire someone too early. 

A. Tepper is dumb to have not listened to Harbaugh if it's true he wanted to be here, since that was the only name I remember being *potentially* tied to us

B. You can cycle through QBs every single year. You can't do that with coaches and expect to hire anybody worth a poo. Even if Canales sucks, optically we almost have to give him 3 years minimum to prove we're a serious team for once and not scare anyone else off. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

 

You allow so little blame to fall onto him which is making excuses for him when there is blame ro assign to everyone. You look at DC like Tepper looked at Fritters in 22 or Dan in 23, which were both poor calls too. In reality is just a matter of how much blame should get assigned to who because no one is blameless in that mix. 

 

 

I just keep the main thing the main thing.  

The equivalent here would be you raging about Joe Brady needing to be fired.   Me saying, Matt Rhule is the issue and firing Joe Brady doesn't address the biggest issue at hand and won't actually matter.  Which is a dance I did then too.  You then call me a Joe Brady apologist because I wouldn't get away from Matt Rhule being THE problem. 

the main problem is Bryce Young and his supporters in the front office.  Until that changes, nothing matters.   

Canales being a weak OC in over his head? Time and a place.  You can go check my threads from preseason where I blasted amateur hour  Canales for not calling plays.  He needed work because he isn't good.  But that's not the biggest issue we got.   Like I said, nothing really matters big picture until Bryce Young and his backers address THE problem.  Which is the QB.   I have gone into painful detail about the entire Dave scheme is dependent on a QB bailing out a meh scheme and approach.  I didn't want Dave.  Dave is Foxball in reality.  Which is what Pete did in Seattle in reality.  It's the same approach and it needs a QB to bail it out.   You want me to bash stuff I addressed long ago.  I'm no Dave fan.   But the biggest issue for the Carolina Panthers is Bryce.  

I want the outcome that leads to Bryce Young not being retained.  That's what is best for the Carolina Panthers.  You want 2 more pointless wins notched onto a meaningless season if it means just another completely pointless season tied to Bryce?  Not me. 

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

If you are throwing games to spite someone or don't have the "power" to bench players, you aren't a good head coach.

[Diehardpanth02]

To be fair,

If and only if, he has finally learned from his mistakes and was man enough to admit he dropped the ball by not letting Rico spin. Then I am ok. At least he acknowledged his shortcomings and recognizes the problems that’s half the battle.

so as mad as I am bc we could have beat them on the road on Monday night football just by sticking to what we do best. I can let this one go for now Dave. Do better or we’re calling for you and Bryce to find a new gig 

 

he better trust his run game against the rams. Bc if it stays in Staffords hands and with a depleted defense we will get wholly whooped on national television again. And it’s safe to say most of us will be done

Edited 50 minutes ago by Diehardpanth02

[Waldo]

Lol Brady and Rhule needed to be fired. You can't demote someone and he wasn't ready. I did catch poo for saying he needed more time and wasn't ready then but could be good if not in a setup built to fail. I even daid under a good coach he could end up being good. 

Hate to keep telling you but DC is a supporter. You keep ignoring that. Your wrong and keep ignoring he just called a game that proves Im right about that.

I get you blame DC for some things and I can agree with you about a lot except he isn't still a supporter and backer thus part of the problem.  

Again I completely agree about the last part. The fact you can't see DC as being a backer or supporter is what I disagree with. It's obvious at this point and it's been proved yet you still ignore that one fact. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

49 minutes ago, CRA said:

I just keep the main thing the main thing.  

The equivalent here would be you raging about Joe Brady needing to be fired.   Me saying, Matt Rhule is the issue and firing Joe Brady doesn't address the biggest issue at hand and won't actually matter.  Which is a dance I did then too.  You then call me a Joe Brady apologist because I wouldn't get away from Matt Rhule being THE problem. 

the main problem is Bryce Young and his supporters in the front office.  Until that changes, nothing matters.   

Canales being a weak OC in over his head? Time and a place.  You can go check my threads from preseason where I blasted amateur hour  Canales for not calling plays.  He needed work because he isn't good.  But that's not the biggest issue we got.   Like I said, nothing really matters big picture until Bryce Young and his backers address THE problem.  Which is the QB.   I have gone into painful detail about the entire Dave scheme is dependent on a QB bailing out a meh scheme and approach.  I didn't want Dave.  Dave is Foxball in reality.  Which is what Pete did in Seattle in reality.  It's the same approach and it needs a QB to bail it out.   You want me to bash stuff I addressed long ago.  I'm no Dave fan.   But the biggest issue for the Carolina Panthers is Bryce.  

I want the outcome that leads to Bryce Young not being retained.  That's what is best for the Carolina Panthers.  You want 2 more pointless wins notched onto a meaningless season if it means just another completely pointless season tied to Bryce?  Not me. 

I get what you're saying. Changing the coach doesn't solve the biggest, or in this case, littlest, problem. No coach is succeeding with Bryce as his QB. Whatever it takes to get Bryce out of the building is what it takes. If DC has to go to get Bryce out of the building, here's a gift card to Uhaul, because ultimately, that's what's best for the team and the team is what matters most. 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I get what you're saying. Changing the coach doesn't solve the biggest, or in this case, littlest, problem. No coach is succeeding with Bryce as his QB. Whatever it takes to get Bryce out of the building is what it takes. If DC has to go to get Bryce out of the building, here's a gift card to Uhaul, because ultimately, that's what's best for the team and the team is what matters most. 

Dave can leave with Bryce for all I care.   Morgan too.  But Bryce as the starting QB has to be a no go going forward.