How long do you feel it takes for a head coach to turn a team around?

[PootieNunu]

That depends,who is his QB,does the coach get to pick his own or is he forced to play a bust for two seasons.

[PNW_PantherMan]

You don't fire Canales after year 2 because he's mediocre.  That's just stupid given the circumstances.  Way to make the job even less attractive and ensure that the guy who replaces him is even less qualified.

He's earned a another year barring a horrific finish this year.  Bryce hasn't.

[Daddy_Uncle]

Depends on the QB. No coach is winning with Bryce. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

Most of the good coaches showed enough to know there was something there in year 1 and kept building on it, even when the situation is a mess.

Canales hasn't shown any of that. I also don't really see any improvement either. He just seems overall mediocre. He runs an unimaginative offense but it is a functional NFL offense. As a HC I see nothing impressive. A cheerleader is his peak as far as I can tell. I think he will fail here and go back to being a journeyman OC at this point for other HCs much like him.  

The entire team is essentially better in year 2……Bryce is just the same bad QB he had always been.  

I don’t like Canales O.  Didn’t when we hired him.   Still don’t like it.  But the team is trending better outside of Bryce and how he limits it all. 

[WarPanthers89]

52 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You don't fire Canales after year 2 because he's mediocre.  That's just stupid given the circumstances.  Way to make the job even less attractive and ensure that the guy who replaces him is even less qualified.

He's earned an another year barring a horrific finish this year.  Bryce hasn't.

 I agree 100%. You fire Dalton, bring in a vet to start, and let Bryce be the backup for the last year of his deal. If Dave does not make us into a competitor by the end of year 3, send him and Morgan packing. 

Edited 2 hours ago by WarPanthers89

[Jon Snow]

I look at it like this. Canales made his reputation as being responsible for the development of WRs and QBs prior to getting here. Supposedly that's why he was hired. After 2 season's the overwhelming evidence indicates that his reputation is in fact all bull. Those 2 positions have turned out to be the weakest links on the offense.

Now I understand he cannot make Young an nfl qb but he is in part responsible for the depth chart and in game decisions. But I do blame him for the lack of development and depth of the receivers. 

Overall I think that Dan would be better suited cutting his buddy Dave lose and finding a better coach and let that guy find his qb. Or else he will go down with Dave.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You don't fire Canales after year 2 because he's mediocre.  That's just stupid given the circumstances.  Way to make the job even less attractive and ensure that the guy who replaces him is even less qualified.

He's earned a another year barring a horrific finish this year.  Bryce hasn't.

I can't say that I agree with the "can't fire him because he's mediocre." He has actually largely been more bad than mediocre. 

But, you are spot on with the job being even less attractive than it was before. Most candidates are going to turn down interviews with us even without that move. With another head coach being canned, you are probably basically stuck dumpster diving even deeper than when got you Dave Canales.

[JawnyBlaze]

Canales has done a great job, especially with the “team culture” considering the handicap at QB. Bryce is a coach killer, and I confidently believe that when we get a decent QB this team will be in a good place. 
 

As an OC, yea Canales has some faults.  I think he’s one of those types that are a better HC than coordinator. But still being able to wring water out of the stone that is Bryce Young had been a miracle in and of itself. 

[thennek]

What NFL level coach would come to Carolina to take over this team knowing Bryce is still the QB?

The new HC would have to promised he could pick his own QB….however there is a recent Panthers history of that promise not being fulfilled and that HC was fired after 10-games.
i also think the interest in this job would be limited due to Tepper .

i would rather stick with Canales and get a new QB then bring in a new HC and have the same QB. 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

I think he's trending for a good culture but he tries to be cute with the game planning, and it is costing us games. 

[kungfoodude]

54 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I think he's trending for a good culture but he tries to be cute with the game planning, and it is costing us games. 

I am not sure I agree on the team culture yet.

He also did have a lot of young guys chirping to the media about lack of effort in practices before a bad loss. 

I would say that is on shaky ground. A lot will be determined over the course of the rest of this season since we are likely to start taking a lot more L's. If he can keep the wheels from coming completely off, I might buy into the culture having improved.

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

The entire team is essentially better in year 2……Bryce is just the same bad QB he had always been.  

I don’t like Canales O.  Didn’t when we hired him.   Still don’t like it.  But the team is trending better outside of Bryce and how he limits it all. 

We are a team picking very high for years and still don't have much top teir tallent while playing other bad teams given how they make the schedule. It's very mediocre but like I said it's NFL mediocre. Parady does the hardest lifting if it's not a dumpsterfire. 

His playcalling is mediocre. His adjustments usually are nonexistent. Even his culture is soft. He is NFL functional he is just mediocre. I have seen zip to warrant a 1 spot out of 32 as an NFL HC. He was also literally outcoached by a first year HC in his first HC game. Sorry but I just don't see a lot of positives past mediocre overall and that's honestly being kind IMO.