So is this a Bryce issue, a Canales issue, or a non issue?

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yep a 24 year old still trying to figure it out himself 

3 seasons with 3 totally different WR’s to start each year. 2 different systems 

Then like you said a bunch of young pass catchers that are trying to figure out things themselves. Bryce is older than both Coker and TMac. This is such a young group 

TMac and Coker understand the game though. Understand soft spots in zones. Understand coverages. Spacing. Route running. These are the types Young excels with. It’s why Young was able to extend the careers of Adam Thielen and David Moore. I’d like to see us add a legit deep threat still though and a pass catching TE so Young can take advantage of the MOF which is something he’s proven he’s more than capable of 

It’s 2025, not 2000.  You can play or you can’t given the state of offense in today’s NFL.  It’s all figured out pretty quickly who people are and aren’t. 

everyone basically channeling their inner Matt Rhule on Bryce Young.  I’m telling you, year 4 or 5 he is going to show you!  Year 7 would be the worst case scenario. Everyone knows about that magic 7th season. 

[*FreeFua*]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

In theory, you can argue anything.   We have a weak and erratic pass attack.  It just is what it is.  The eye don’t lie.   
 

Well it lies once every season.   In Atlanta lol
 

 

Yeah… going back and forth with you is pointless. Presented with actual relevant analytics and its…

”eyes don’t lie” well when you have no idea what you’re watching they do 

 

[GoobyPls]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sure, you have to make up for it elsewhere…

#2 D paired with the #2 rush attack (paired with an essentially cheat short yardage play).  

We dumped our resources into having a really good passing attack presently that in theory should be making up for the areas that would take an hit in the build.  Which is another reason so much is Bryce centric.  What in theory should be the biggest strength is the weakest link.   

So you are proving my point, you can win a SB with below average passing game

 

And the panthers currently are near the bottom in terms of contracts for skill position players, are highest paid offensive player is Moton at 44 million which extremely cheap relative to other teams. The eagles have about 5 guys on there offense with bigger contracts than that 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yeah… going back and forth with you is pointless. Presented with actual relevant analytics and its…

”eyes don’t lie” well when you have no idea what you’re watching they do 

 

I can go cherry pick a random team that has little do with anything and make the counter to your argument.  No point. 

You can’t make an argument the pass attack with Bryce isn’t weak and erratic.  Stats and eye test prove both.  All 3 years. 

Merry Christmas.  Off to church, then some  family eating paired with  the proper amount of adult beverages as to not make the wife mad, and then Santa Claus work.  Until another day.   I hope everyone that wants them gets their official Bryce Young pajamas for Christmas (XS). 

[LinvilleGorge]

18 hours ago, CRA said:

I think it’s Canales essentially having Bryce at this point throwing deep only in the most advantageous spots possible.   

This. We're scheming up deep shots specifically on short down and distance to go when teams are gearing up anticipating the run.

[*FreeFua*]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

I can go cherry pick a random team that has little do with anything and make the counter to your argument.  No point. 

You can’t make an argument the pass attack with Bryce isn’t weak and erratic.  Stats and eye test prove both.  All 3 years. 

Merry Christmas.  Off to church, then some  family eating paired with  the proper amount of adult beverages as to not make the wife mad, and then Santa Claus work.  Until another day.   I hope everyone that wants them gets their official Bryce Young pajamas for Christmas (XS). 

Merry Christmas. Have a good one!

[frankw]

You can certainly win a SB with a below average passing game but this isn't really the roster to make that argument because we have gone above and beyond financially to try and elevate this passing game following the 2023 season to the detriment of other areas particularly the defense.

If we want to take another step forward to close the season we can't keep laboring to score 20 points and expecting the other team to make mistakes.

The Panthers have had only 4 games this season of 30 or more points while the Seahawks have had 8. This is the right matchup at the right time to measure where we're really at.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

The Panthers have had only 4 games this season of 30 or more points while the Seahawks have had 8. This is the right matchup at the right time to measure where we're really at.

One thing in the Panthers favor is that game the Seahawks played in last week.  Those types of emotional wins are hard to replicate next week.

[Aussie Tank]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. We're scheming up deep shots specifically on short down and distance to go when teams are gearing up anticipating the run.

Yes definitely TMacs TD the Bucs were anticipating run 

[CPantherKing]

Canales wants the timing of the WR and QB to develop, the QB to demonstrate his ability to adjust pre snap and get out of a deep pass with a poor defensive matchup, and building confidence in an offense to play strong fundamental football. When those 3 criteria come together, the Panthers will increase their deep shots.

[Silent Majority]

Using "you can won a Super Bowl with an average passing game", is peak. After spending enormous capital and drafting/signing offense HEAVY for a qb taken #1 overall and this is the take. I absolutely do not get the excuses.

[cranky]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

In theory, you can argue anything.   We have a weak and erratic pass attack.  It just is what it is.  The eye don’t lie.   
 

Well it lies once every season.   In Atlanta lol
 

 

They lie everyday in everything we do - especially in this day and age.

Being analytical and using stats properly is the only way to discern the facts from emotions.

Edited 15 minutes ago by cranky

[mav1234]

2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Because passing yards  is such an irrelevant stat to use but it’s to be expected from the few usual suspects on this board 

Eagles 29th in passing yards 

but they were:

6th in offensive EPA 

3rd in defensive EPA 

And Jalen Hurts was 5th in EPA+CPOE composite

I think in the modern NFL you need a QB to produce to be successful but I have always grouped yards on the air and ground (and I do this for Bryce too) into how a QB can contribute. As long as your QB is able to move the ball and get first downs the offense will end up successful generally.

Fwiw, Bryce seems to be getting more comfortable scrambling lately which is good. Obviously a delicate balance as we don't want him bailing too early but I think that's only happened once I could see (without looking at all-22) so I'm pretty happy there.

I just want consistency, heh.