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I don't want to give the appearance that I and the Nostrah Dumbass of this board because I miss a lot when trying to analyze talent, but I was all over Coker before the draft.  I wanted the Panthers to take him on day 3.  When he did not get drafted, I started banging the drum for him.  Apparently, they agreed.  (All Hail, MHS!! All Hail).  I also thought we should have drafted a DT (Marcel Dareus) over Cam Newton and give Clausen another year to develop.  (Boo, MHS!!!, Boo to you!!!)  All that to humble myself.  

Coker is not blazing fast, but he runs good routes and has perhaps the best hands in the NFL.  I am tired of drops.  He is of high character---a guy you can support--unlike some of these other WR divas in the NFL.  

Lock him up long term-I am guessing a deal in the $10m range (after yesterday) would not be out of the question.  He had around 400 yards this season, so let's keep yesterday as a good game and not a coming-out.

We need a consistent deep threat, imo, an explosive WR with good hands.  Imagine that.  XL? Maybe its back to road kill and Dolla Bill.  Maybe this league was not meant for you.  Nothing wrong with giving it a shot, making some bank, and returning to your home.  Morgan?  Your worst move so far.  Learn from these "one hit wonders."

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TMac and Coker are more than adequate for any young quarterback. As far as the group beyond them what exactly are people expecting?

At what point do people expect the #1 pick to begin to make his WR's better instead of the other way around?

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2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We should have drafted Isaiah Bond instead of Jimmy.

That draft, if you recall, was before Fox's lame duck season.  It was the one draft when Marty Hurney was on his own without input.  I overheard Fox talking to Tergovac (I believe it was him--memory) and he was telling him "That's not an NFL QB."  Then he watched Armanti Edwards drop a simulated punt from the jugs machine, and he shook his head and walked off laughing sarcastically.  Hurney nabbed Clausen after two teams that desperately needed a QB passed on him--in rounds one AND two--and bragged that he stole a "top 10" QB.  He tried to trade away our first-rounder the following season to move up to pick #33 to grab him.  Then, rich with the draft capital he saved, traded up (later) for Armanti Edwards.  I read a rumor that the Colts bluffed him about their interest in Edwards and he took the bait.  Brandon Lafell in the third and I think he took headcase Hardy in the fifth or so that draft, with Eric Norwood (bust) in as our fourth rounder.

Hurney sucked.  

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9 minutes ago, frankw said:

TMac and Coker are more than adequate for any young quarterback. As far as the group beyond them what exactly are people expecting?

At what point do people expect the #1 pick to begin to make his WR's better instead of the other way around?

I could argue that they need a deep threat, (and you could argue that both are) but I agree. The only reason Coker is not a bigger name is because they tried to develop XL.  But Horn is coming along (too soon?) Tremayne had 15 receptions on 19 targets for 160 yards--bottom of the roster quality.   If you step back, there are bigger needs on this team, like edge and LB

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

That draft, if you recall, was before Fox's lame duck season.  It was the one draft when Marty Hurney was on his own without input.  I overheard Fox talking to Tergovac (I believe it was him--memory) and he was telling him "That's not an NFL QB."  Then he watched Armanti Edwards drop a simulated punt from the jugs machine, and he shook his head and walked off laughing sarcastically.  Hurney nabbed Clausen after two teams that desperately needed a QB passed on him--in rounds one AND two--and bragged that he stole a "top 10" QB.  He tried to trade away our first-rounder the following season to move up to pick #33 to grab him.  Then, rich with the draft capital he saved, traded up (later) for Armanti Edwards.  I read a rumor that the Colts bluffed him about their interest in Edwards and he took the bait.  Brandon Lafell in the third and I think he took headcase Hardy in the fifth or so that draft, with Eric Norwood (bust) in as our fourth rounder.

Hurney sucked.  

He was talking about Isaiah bond over Jimmy horn jr

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T-Mac was getting the primary coverage so Coker had opportunities that he capitalized on. That game isn’t even close without Coker. They need a speedy slot guy to compliment those two on the outside and the offense is gonna improve. 

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Coker looked amazing, but if I remember correctly he wasnt in the best game shape when camp started, which ultimately leading to him getting injured.  Hopefully that was a bit of a wakeup for him to take his health more seriously in the offseason  (and I have no doubt it will, guy seems like a pretty committed dude).

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