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The better value at 25......Flowers or Goldman?


Jmac

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We know both have had meetings and workouts for the Panthers. Many draft geeks are picking Flowers to be the guy. Heard that he had problems with athletic speed rushers. Watched some video when the Canes played Nebraska. He had his ass handed to him all game by Randy Gregory. Goldman is a load and clogs the middle. Needs to improve his pass rushing abilities at the next level. He has played both DT and DE. Would you be happier with the Flowers pick to fill the OT need and hope to develop him or Goldman to develop with Star and K.K? Your on the clock huddle.

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tough one.. 

 

I have an infatuation with DL myself as that was my poo in high school.. I definitely see the value of having a crazy stout DL every fuggin snap of a game

 

Idk, they are equal to me. If we got either one id be ecstatic cause I knew we got a good football player cause DG picked him

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I've heard Flowers projects as RT, not LT. Honestly more guys available in 2nd round that project as RT.

 

Goldman is one of the few big DTs with some (not great, but some) movement skills. All four of our current DTs split snaps pretty evenly, and since two of them are ages 33 and 34, better value seems to be with picking Goldman.

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Goldman.

He's higher on my ranking. The guy has a large motor and causes havoc.

Flowers is my #2 OT, which makes this choice very hard for me cause I'm a fan of both. Flowers is a huge block of pre-mo clay, that's needs a master to mold him into a OT. Its all there, just need time.

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The closer the draft comes the more I really hate this draft class, i just cant pinpoint one player I am in love with. The OTs are meh and a reach, the WRs are ok I suppose but i get a feeling we wont draft 1 in the 1st, some solid D line players will be there but our D line is already stout.

Whats bad is outside the top 8 prospects, there isnt even a prospect I can think of that would excite me if they fell to us. Meaning players expected to go pick 15 or 16 that might drop to us. I hope we can trade out of the 1st round somehow and accumulate a pick or two

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D.G is fixated on big bodies on both sides of the line. Doubt he takes another WR this year in the first. Can't see him taking a RB either. This draft isn't big on secondary guys worth the pick after the first couple are gone. Don't be suprised if he 'hog mollies' at 25.

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