David Newton On Rivera

[Paintballr]

4 hours ago, Billy_T said:

Rowboat Ron has a regular season record of 70-52 (.574).  

Fox was 68-68 (.500) in regular season games.

Which do you prefer?

Note: the other 2 head coaches in Panthers history were a combined 46-66 (.411).

CONCLUSION: Be careful what you wish for.

None of our coaches other than Ron had a QB like Cam Newton or a LB like Luke. 

Fox had Jake

Seifert had Beuerlein with a god awful defense 

Capers had Kerry Collins 

We have only had 4 coaches in our history. Ron has been our longest tenured, arguably the most talent weve ever had. If you take out the 15-1 season from Ron which is out of the norm his record is 55-51 which is more in line with Fox

[Camp Fodder]

4 hours ago, Billy_T said:

Rowboat Ron has a regular season record of 70-52 (.574).  

Fox was 68-68 (.500) in regular season games.

Which do you prefer?

Note: the other 2 head coaches in Panthers history were a combined 46-66 (.411).

CONCLUSION: Be careful what you wish for.

What value does Rivera bring to this team?  He’s s defensive coach and his defense is utter trash 

[Cookie Lyon]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, the whole premise of Ron Rivera and Cam Newton was flawed from the start. Why draft a QB number one overall and then stick him with a defensive-minded head coach and owner? I guess it could work out, but a conservative approach to offense is not what you want when you're a picking a QB with the #1 pick in the draft. 

So the team chose a QB to save the team and shape its future, and then ignored the offense for the rest of that draft. And the only serious attempts at improving the offense for the next 5 seasons were drafting Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess (a TE converted to WR). If the plan was to make the defense the driving force of the team, they should have just drafted Von Miller instead. He and Luke could have done some damage - especially with a young Greg Hardy still on the team

Bingo

[Davidson Deac II]

3 hours ago, Smithers said:

That record has much more to do with Newton than it does Rivera.  

I believe that Ron should be gone if we don't make the playoffs.

That being said, Bill Belichek's record has a lot to do with Brady, Sean Payton got lucky to get Brees, the Steelers coach would be toast without big Ben, etc....

[CarolinaXblue]

7 hours ago, beastson said:

Cowboys are better than us right now

Are they? I’ll give you the Eric Washington argument if you want to go there. But I don’t see the calling for Ron’s head. Sure, I’m frustrated with the losses. But a new coach isn’t going to keep Funchess from dropping 5 passes a game. It’s also not going to keep our kicker from missing. I like Ron’s agressivness in the red zone, once again I don’t think he called the 3 run plays in a row from the 4 yard line or whatever it was. I’m not saying the guy is a great but you look at some of these coaches and you gotta think it could be a lot worse.

[CarolinaXblue]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, the whole premise of Ron Rivera and Cam Newton was flawed from the start. Why draft a QB number one overall and then stick him with a defensive-minded head coach and owner? I guess it could work out, but a conservative approach to offense is not what you want when you're a picking a QB with the #1 pick in the draft. 

So the team chose a QB to save the team and shape its future, and then ignored the offense for the rest of that draft. And the only serious attempts at improving the offense for the next 5 seasons were drafting Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess (a TE converted to WR). If the plan was to make the defense the driving force of the team, they should have just drafted Von Miller instead. He and Luke could have done some damage - especially with a young Greg Hardy still on the team

So we should have rolled with Jimmy Clausen then? 

[RumHam]

Hurney needs to be the scapegoat. Then make a decision on Ron once a GM is brought in if that GM wants to finish Ron's contract or not. I don't know. Hurney just needs to go.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, the whole premise of Ron Rivera and Cam Newton was flawed from the start. Why draft a QB number one overall and then stick him with a defensive-minded head coach and owner? I guess it could work out, but a conservative approach to offense is not what you want when you're a picking a QB with the #1 pick in the draft. 

So the team chose a QB to save the team and shape its future, and then ignored the offense for the rest of that draft. And the only serious attempts at improving the offense for the next 5 seasons were drafting Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess (a TE converted to WR). If the plan was to make the defense the driving force of the team, they should have just drafted Von Miller instead. He and Luke could have done some damage - especially with a young Greg Hardy still on the team

It's the Buddy Ryan approach.

When Buddy Ryqn had Randall Cunningham, he believed that all he needed to win was for Cunningham to make two or three big plays a game and Ryan's defense would take care of the rest.

Sound familiar?

The Problem: It didn't actually work. Ryan certainly won some games like that, but the upper level teams in the league were either better equipped to handle Cunningham, more effective against Ryan's defense, or both.

[Darvinsun]

1 hour ago, CarolinaXblue said:

Are they? I’ll give you the Eric Washington argument if you want to go there. But I don’t see the calling for Ron’s head. Sure, I’m frustrated with the losses. But a new coach isn’t going to keep Funchess from dropping 5 passes a game. It’s also not going to keep our kicker from missing. I like Ron’s agressivness in the red zone, once again I don’t think he called the 3 run plays in a row from the 4 yard line or whatever it was. I’m not saying the guy is a great but you look at some of these coaches and you gotta think it could be a lot worse.

I'm sure he helps pick and evaluate the talent that is drafted. Funchess has showed nothing as far as being wr. Why would you draft a person that is not in his natural position to come help a depleted wr unit. He should have never been the pick. Curtis is electrifying regards and went to a dominant Ohio State team and contributed. What did Funchess do? Never heard of the guy until he got here. Rivera is nothing special. He hasn't brought anything to the table when it has mattered which is on the field.

[thefuzz]

AGAIN.

Look at the division wins vs. losses since the unicorn season of 15.

First thing you have to do in the NFL.  Win the division.

Honestly, I don't mind losing the games you are supposed to lose, and winning the ones you should...but that's not what's going on with the Ron coached Panthers.

[mc52beast]

11 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

David Newton doesn’t know poo. The sooner you accept that, the better. 

He’s smart enough to figure out that Ron doesn’t have JR to pat him on the back and tell him it’s ok if we lose

[Darvinsun]

Most of the games we have lost we have had the opportunity to win. Even with all the turnovers and broen coverages, dropped passes. We survived. The one thing we could not survive was Rivera decisions. He has enough practice to get a feel of the game. What is he doing on the sideline. If the offense is rolling dont mess with it. Same on defense but No we change and wonder why we end up with the L.

[gofightwin]

6 hours ago, Billy_T said:

Rowboat Ron has a regular season record of 70-52 (.574).  

Fox was 68-68 (.500) in regular season games.

Which do you prefer?

Note: the other 2 head coaches in Panthers history were a combined 46-66 (.411).

CONCLUSION: Be careful what you wish for.

Remove the 1-15 tank season and their records are basically identical.  

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, gofightwin said:

Remove the 1-15 tank season and their records are basically identical.  

why does everybody get our 2010 record wrong? I see it all the time but it was 2-14. Not much different, but still