PFF ranks Panthers o-line in top 10

[mc52beast]

Only things keeping us from being ranked higher are questions about Little and Williamshttps://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2019

[jfra78]

[bigpoppa]

So I don't keep up with it much, but I thought I heard about how much money and draft capital the Falcons had put into their OL over the past few years. They are ranked 22nd? 

Don't get me wrong. I hope that is true (or even too high)

[LinvilleGorge]

I certainly hope that it proves to be accurate. The OL has a lot of potential, but significant potential pitfalls as well. LG is still a concern as is the health of Williams and to a lesser extent Paradis. I have no idea what to expect out of Little as a rookie.

[Lumps]

Panthers Oline rank according to PFF since Cam's career;

2011 - 7th

2012 - 27th

2013 - 7th

2014 - 22nd

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 17th

2017 - 10th

2018 - 17th

Average rated oline over Cam's career: 13th (16th is 'average').

I think it's suffice to say there are a lot of over reactors on this forum about the offensive line. No doubt there have been some real bad players and dumb moves (or lack thereof) by the FO, but all in all some teams (19 out of 32 to be exact) have averaged worse olines in the league than the Panthers since 2011.

It's not too shabby, especially if you consider than these measurements are skewed by QBs like Brady and Brees who always have higher graded offensive lines due to the fact of how quickly they get rid of the ball.

I will also say that going back 15 years worth of superbowls it was very very rare either team had an oline ranked below 10, showing just how important an offensive line is. A miserable fun fact: the 2015 Broncos were the most recent of one of those very rare examples and were ranked 20th.

 

 

[Captain Morgan]

Seems a lot of pundits are saying Little will start this season at LT.  I hope he can win the job, but it easily be that Daryl plays, or at least starts the season at LT while Little starts at guard.

[Hoenheim]

30 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

Seems a lot of pundits are saying Little will start this season at LT.  I hope he can win the job, but it easily be that Daryl plays, or at least starts the season at LT while Little starts at guard.

Why? Has he ever played LT before? 

[Captain Morgan]

12 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Why? Has he ever played LT before? 

don't know, but I know RR would rather play vets over rookies, even 2nd rounders.  We'll see.  By the end of camp if Little is our starting LT, it's a good sign that we believe in him.  Still a little scary though.

[Seltzer]

On paper this group does inspire a lot more optimism than we have had in quite a few years. 

Paradis, Turner, and Moton all have proven Pro-Bowl talent.  Williams was showing that as well before his injury.  Little is an unknown, but the team obviously seems very high on him.

Van Roten and Larsen are quality backups.  Dennis Daley (7th Rounder) is raw but also has upside.

It feels good to have depth across the offensive line.  Too many times under Rivera, we have had average to subpar starting offensive lineman and little-to-no depth.

[JawnyBlaze]

5 hours ago, Lumps said:

Panthers Oline rank according to PFF since Cam's career;

2011 - 7th

2012 - 27th

2013 - 7th

2014 - 22nd

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 17th

2017 - 10th

2018 - 17th

Average rated oline over Cam's career: 13th (16th is 'average').

I think it's suffice to say there are a lot of over reactors on this forum about the offensive line. No doubt there have been some real bad players and dumb moves (or lack thereof) by the FO, but all in all some teams (19 out of 32 to be exact) have averaged worse olines in the league than the Panthers since 2011.

It's not too shabby, especially if you consider than these measurements are skewed by QBs like Brady and Brees who always have higher graded offensive lines due to the fact of how quickly they get rid of the ball.

I will also say that going back 15 years worth of superbowls it was very very rare either team had an oline ranked below 10, showing just how important an offensive line is. A miserable fun fact: the 2015 Broncos were the most recent of one of those very rare examples and were ranked 20th.

 

 

All that shows is there’s  lot of over reactors to the validity of PFF rankings

[panthers55]

So by that post our Oline has been top 10 in odd years. And this is an odd year.....

Sound right to me.  Top 10 this year, deep playoff run.

[CBDellinger]

6 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

Seems a lot of pundits are saying Little will start this season at LT.  I hope he can win the job, but it easily be that Daryl plays, or at least starts the season at LT while Little starts at guard.

If Daryl ends up at LT then things have gone terribly wrong.  

At best he’s a RT that needs help.  

Best case scenario is little, moton, paradise, suckafree (turner), williams 

I know most of y’all wanna see moton play Rt but he’d be a monster as a rg in the run game.  I don’t think Daryl can move well enough to do it.  

 

 

[RumHam]

9 hours ago, Lumps said:

Panthers Oline rank according to PFF since Cam's career;

2011 - 7th

2012 - 27th

2013 - 7th

2014 - 22nd

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 17th

2017 - 10th

2018 - 17th

Average rated oline over Cam's career: 13th (16th is 'average').

I think it's suffice to say there are a lot of over reactors on this forum about the offensive line. No doubt there have been some real bad players and dumb moves (or lack thereof) by the FO, but all in all some teams (19 out of 32 to be exact) have averaged worse olines in the league than the Panthers since 2011.

It's not too shabby, especially if you consider than these measurements are skewed by QBs like Brady and Brees who always have higher graded offensive lines due to the fact of how quickly they get rid of the ball.

I will also say that going back 15 years worth of superbowls it was very very rare either team had an oline ranked below 10, showing just how important an offensive line is. A miserable fun fact: the 2015 Broncos were the most recent of one of those very rare examples and were ranked 20th.

 

 

It's PFF. This just shows how awful their metric is. Did we look like the 2nd best offensive line in the super bowl? Why does PFF continue to come up. I just wish ESPN would buy them out and take over their system or just abolish altogether. Our line can't open holes for poo, and left tackle protection has been mostly non-existent.

[RumHam]

Also, everyone here thinks a second round LT is the immediate plug-in answer for LT. Cam better sit out the preseason altogether or he'll be forced to. Let me repeat myself. A SECOND ROUND LEFT TACKLE THAT ONLY HURNEY PLUGGED AS A FIRST ROUND GRADE OUT OF ALL OTHER GM'S THAT HE TRADED UP FOR IS OUR FRANCHISE ANSWER AT LEFT TACKLE TO PROTECT OUR ALREADY FRAGILE QB AND NEXT ROOKIE QB.

They better move Moton over, this is the correct solution and leave van roten at LG.