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[Varking]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

All I can see when I look at that picture is:  Oh, there's Eric Reid getting beat in coverage again.

Did think this play was on him. CB messes up and Reid wasn’t supposed to be over there. He tried. 

[Carl Spackler]

1 hour ago, GoPanthers123 said:

Just play Allen all the way to the end.  He is solid except for 1-2 throws that are in double coverage, just stop making a few bad decisions and you are good to go.

lol

[ClawOn]

I get it - everyone here is a potential GM. I'm merely a fan however and would therefore like some hope. Maybe Grier comes in and lights it up? Probably not but hell, maybe. 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think it's a little bit of both. The OL sucks, but Allen is also failing to get the ball out as fast as the offense dictates at times as well. Kyle's average time to throw is 16th in the NFL this season, so perfectly middle of the pack. Cam's average time to throw last season would be tied for 10th. Not a TON faster, but that split second is often times the difference between getting a pass off and getting (strip) sacked. In the first two weeks of the season, Cam was #1 in week 1 and #6 in week two in terms of average time to throw. The offense was and is designed to get the ball out FAST. Kyle isn't doing that. So yes, the OL sucks but Kyle isn't upholding his end of the bargain by getting the ball out fast either.

Exactly. Maybe @stbugs will stop putting words in people's mouths and thoughts in their head, and accept the fact Allen deserves some fault in all this too---most of the fault from what I've seen, but the decidedly inexperienced LTs haven't helped. It was a recipe for disaster as soon as Cam was hurt. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

And Cam still got sacked 6 times in those 2 games which would be on pace to be his most sacked season ever including more sacks against Tampa than Allen’s game.

If Kyle is average and our OL is on a historically bad pace (top 5 most sacked) then there’s still a huge OL problem.

It’s just annoying that people hate a backup so much because he started out well and really think Cam wouldn’t be getting sacked more than he’s ever been sacked. It’s as if they forget than Cam’s gotten beaten to hell and now want to defend the OL. Comical almost how predictable and close minded people can be.

Don't forget though, Daryl Williams started both of those games at LT. He gave up all three if the sacks in the Bucs game. Not sure about the season opener but it wouldn't shock me is he was the one responsible for at least some of those three too.

[Cpt slay a ho]

At this point throw in Grier, seen enough of Allen and his lack of pocket presence, even worst he’s pulling the ole baker mayfield/Eli Manning, he keeps scrambling to the same side each time he “senses” pressure or worst curling up at the sign of the slightest pressure. 

the o line is ass but damn when he does have time he either makes a poor decision or under throw wrs.

there’s some good he’s shown but he requires a lot of work, even if being considered a Long term backup going Forward

[ThPantherFan]

6 hours ago, The Natural said:

On one hand we know what we have in Allen and need to see with Grier but do we REALLY want to throw him out there given the circumstances? I don't think we'd get a fair assessment.

I agree with you.  I would love to Grier come in a light it up, however it would not be fair to Grier to put him behind the line we have.

[Moo Daeng]

6 hours ago, mc52beast said:

We’re going into 2020 not knowing a damn thing about Will Grier... 

You might not know a damn thing but that's irrelevant. They see him every day. 

[AceBoogie]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Kyle Allen has had spurts of looking like a good QB, that doesn't mean you're a good QB. Everyone in the NFL has talent and has the capability of making good plays on any given Sunday. But, the numbers are what they are. They're not a good D. If you're not consistent, you're not good.

You’ll see on Sunday. I’ve watched a lot of Seahawks football this year. Actually more than the Panthers. Just remember I told you they were good come Sunday. 

[AceBoogie]

4 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I've watched every game Cam Newton has ever played. Except for yesterday (I had friends over for dinner and just couldn't take it anymore) I've watched every game Kyle Allen has ever played for us. I'm sorry, but even though I'm far more of a Cam Newton fan, Allen gets rid of the ball faster than Cam did on average. Allen sometimes holds the ball. Cam held the ball a LOT, admittedly this was often due to the nature of the offense he was in, but he also tended to hold onto the ball past the point that the rush first made contact and he still could have effectively thrown it away.

Far far more often than Allen holding the ball too long has been Allen having effectively no time to even survey his options, and I say that as someone not excited about Allen starting any more games for us at all. Laying the bulk of the blame at Allen's feet for the preponderance of sacks is just not realistic imo and doesn't represent an honest impresssion of someone watching the game without being particularly invested in him positively or negatively.  Allen definately has his shortcomings, but I think far more of the blame for the historic sack rate lies with the line. 

Just my two cents.

This has already been disputed. 

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

You’ll see on Sunday. I’ve watched a lot of Seahawks football this year. Actually more than the Panthers. Just remember I told you they were good come Sunday. 

I know they're a good team, but they aren't a good defense. They're gonna beat the hell out of us, but we're one of the very worst teams in the NFL right now. The terrible Falcons have blown us out twice.

[Shocker]

Its clear that Grier is here to carry a clip board and comb his beard.  He aint sniffin the field.

[1of10Charnatives]

25 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

This has already been disputed. 

Dispute all you want, I've watched the games and my opinion is that it's more frequently the line not giving him near enough time than it is Allen holding the ball too long. You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but you're unlikely to convince me that I haven't seen what I've seen.

[GoPanthers123]

9 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I've watched every game Cam Newton has ever played. Except for yesterday (I had friends over for dinner and just couldn't take it anymore) I've watched every game Kyle Allen has ever played for us. I'm sorry, but even though I'm far more of a Cam Newton fan, Allen gets rid of the ball faster than Cam did on average. Allen sometimes holds the ball. Cam held the ball a LOT, admittedly this was often due to the nature of the offense he was in, but he also tended to hold onto the ball past the point that the rush first made contact and he still could have effectively thrown it away.

Far far more often than Allen holding the ball too long has been Allen having effectively no time to even survey his options, and I say that as someone not excited about Allen starting any more games for us at all. Laying the bulk of the blame at Allen's feet for the preponderance of sacks is just not realistic imo and doesn't represent an honest impresssion of someone watching the game without being particularly invested in him positively or negatively.  Allen definately has his shortcomings, but I think far more of the blame for the historic sack rate lies with the line. 

Just my two cents.

Here is another thing.  This week 1st Int is dropped pass, 2nd Int deep ball into triple coverage that gets picked 100% of the time.  That’s basically something that he can control, I hope, to just throw it away in the future or quickly look for an open guy elsewhere.