Are you ready to wait five years to be competitive?

[NanuqoftheNorth]

43 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

9ers defensive line:

all 1st round picks

arik armstead

Deforest buckner

nick bosa

Dee Ford

Solomon Thomas 

Offensive line:

LT joe staley - 1st round pick 

RT Mike McGlinchey - 1st round pick 

C Weston richburg - 2nd round pick

LG laken Tomlinson - 1st round pick

RG Mike pearson - 7th round pick gem

so out of 9 starting lineman, offense and defense, a staggering SEVEN were 1st round picks and one more was a 2nd round pick. 

we don’t have the talent to turn this around in one season barring some absolute miracle. This should also show fans how amazing Cam Newton has been carrying these teams to the playoffs.
 

But Luke and Olsen not being on the team next year doesn’t really mean much in terms of us being able to turn it around next season. We are talent depleted at the trenches. Can’t win like that.

Turns out it took the SF 49ers about 6 years to become an overnight sensation.

[Carl Spackler]

Two good drafts and prime McCaffrey and Moore will get us in the postseason again. 

[Snake]

The saints are ready to make a QB a year younger than Cam Newton a franchise QB. If Brady can use Cam Newton in the same way as the Saints use Hill watch out. We will be rolling by next year and in a SB by year 5.

[1of10Charnatives]

11 hours ago, TN05 said:

We had four playoff appearances in 5 years from 2013 to 2017.

That's pretty dang competitive to me.

you're cherry picking a time frame that puts it in the best possible light. That time frame isn't associated with any particular significant marker like Rivera's tenure or Cam's or even Luke's. When you arbitrarily create a best possible time frame this way, you're distorting whatever it is you look at. 4 playoff appearances in 5 years sounds good, but one of those was a playoff appearance by a team with a non winning record due to an abysmal division. 

More appropriate would be to evaluate any time frame that is either standard and arbitrary, such as over the last decade, or has some meaningful factor attached to it, such as a coach or franchise qb's tenure.

 

[GoPanthers123]

In 2001 was the worst years and two years later in 2003 was one of the best.  I think we can have a quick turnaround if everyone is on board, the division will only get weaker.  Brees retires, Atlanta is in cap hell, TB well TB doesn’t know what they are doing as usual.  

I think In two years we should be back on track.

[rhyslloyd]

Sure.  We've basically sucked since 2016, but we actually thought we were supposed to be good, so it hurt worse.  Now that we know we suck, I can deal with it knowing there's actually a plan in place for once.

[AceBoogie]

12 hours ago, rayzor said:

Won't take 5 years to get a winning season.

Should happen in 2.

And if it does will Tepper admit he made a mistake and make changes? 7 years is a long ass contract

[AceBoogie]

5 minutes ago, rhyslloyd said:

Sure.  We've basically sucked since 2016, but we actually thought we were supposed to be good, so it hurt worse.  Now that we know we suck, I can deal with it knowing there's actually a plan in place for once.

What’s that plan exactly?

[rhyslloyd]

5 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

What’s that plan exactly?

Well, it appears to be a full tear down and buildup from a guy who's done that exact thing at every stop with a new owner who will embrace the rebuild.  Something like that.

[WOW!!]

No... Basically doing this poo with both Pro teams now..

[thefuzz]

I'm bewildered by posters and fans of this team who couldn't see this coming...I really am.

It's been as predictable as the sun rising in the East, water being wet, and Marty Hurney ruining the Panthers....it was inevitable.

I knew we had some homers in this fanbase, but I had no idea how much of the fanbase it encompasses.

[rippadonn]

Don't lay down your sword. KEEP POUNDING.

The Chiefs haven't been to the SuperBowl in 50yrs. The Panthers have been very successful in relative terms going twice within 12yrs along with other Championships. There wasn't that much actually wrong with the product as some here claim. We just needed to reload. Re-build doesn't actually mean throwing everything away Willy nilly. If you want a new franchise root for Toronto. I don't want this franchise to be a loser, ever, never, ever.

If Tepper is listening to that weak-minded philosophy as sound advice we are in for it. Rich can be rich. Savy can be savy but success in the NFL isn't a guarantee. There was a blue print for relative success. Build upon it, don't toss out the GPS, update the software.

A bad product and bringing embarrassment to our great city because a mid-market team shouldn't keep pounding on that door, EVERY YEAR is lazy and is a self fulfilling prophecy of failure. Ask Tampa about losing.

What sane organization would do that on purpose? The "culture" isnt success, what are you telling your players?! Play half way and get a check? Don't BE great or we'll get rid of you?

What nonsense. If you want bad football for any reason, you don't deserve a franchise because that means EMPTY seats.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

3 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

you're cherry picking a time frame that puts it in the best possible light. That time frame isn't associated with any particular significant marker like Rivera's tenure or Cam's or even Luke's. When you arbitrarily create a best possible time frame this way, you're distorting whatever it is you look at. 4 playoff appearances in 5 years sounds good, but one of those was a playoff appearance by a team with a non winning record due to an abysmal division. 

More appropriate would be to evaluate any time frame that is either standard and arbitrary, such as over the last decade, or has some meaningful factor attached to it, such as a coach or franchise qb's tenure

I disagree though.  I think in the context of this thread (rebuild), its a good time frame.  The person who created this thread suggested it would take 5 years for a rebuild to make us competitive.  It took 3 years before we made the playoffs as a 12 win team, Then went to the playoffs in 4 of the next 5 years that followed.

3 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

More appropriate would be to evaluate any time frame that is either standard and arbitrary, such as over the last decade, or has some meaningful factor attached to it, such as a coach or franchise qb's tenure.

But within the context of this conversation (how long after a rebuild does it take for a team to become competitive) those stipulations are meaningless.  A record over a full decade doesn't tell the story.  Nor does a coach for QB's tenure.

This is specifically "how long does it take a bad team (Carolina was 2-14) to become competitive.  The answer is that it didnt take 5 years.  It took 3 years.  And it wasn't merely a fluke, but it was a run of competitiveness.  

[rippadonn]

The answer is NO. The heat is ON. We expect an deserve improvement.

We deserve to WIN a Superbowl not a one step forward two step backward philosophy AGAIN.

At least 7 players from the Super Bowl team still remain hopefully Tepper doesn't eject all that Champion DNA out the door. Sheesh