REPORT: Russell Okung isn't retiring.........(locked)

[Mister]

Looks like Daley will be ot , Greg little would be but he’ll be out half the season with a broken finger nail 

[onmyown]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

For a rookie, LT is one of the most difficult positions to play in the NFL.  The jump from college to pro is pretty substantial.  A rookie LT without a camp behind him and one that misses a lot of the season is certain to struggle.  So you base your opinion on what you saw?

Little may be a G--but nobody has seen enough to write him off.  Moton did not start until year 3 (he had starts earlier, out of necessity)--Gross played RT year 1.  We just do not know--and that is where it stands.  I would let him play this season, and see where he is year 3.  If he is not better or healthy, then I would have a plan B.  However, this season should be to give players some experience and to see where we are.  If Okung had started all season, what would we do at LT going into the 2021 draft?

 

No I’m basing my opinion on a very serious injury early in his career. Olineman suffer more concussions and career ending injuries in general than any other position on an entire team.

You yourself said it’s the hardest position to play in the NFL. Players rarely pan out. So how does this not support the rest of what I said that you cut out? If that is the case why aren’t the Panther drafting more of them to find a long term answer?

If Okung started all season we’d still draft one in 2021. Okung is a rental. If it were up to me I would want to see more of Moton at LT and would have started Little at RT.  Instead Rivera literally went out got a player off the couch (Chris Clark) to start at LT, and let Little struggle.

Between than and drafting I would have found a long term answer. The Panthers have along history of not letting players transition and develop. If you go back since Gross retired you have a different, inept, player playing LT almost every single season. Panther LT since Gross retired:

2014: Byron Bell

2015: Oher

2016: Remmers

2017: M Kalil

2018: Clark

2019: Daley
 

Moves made to address the issue: Sign Oher - good move but once again a concussion win (have the feeling this will happen to Little). Sign Matt Kalil in typical JR fashion and set the franchise back.

Finally, 6 years later the Panther decide to draft Gross’ replacement. Finally after the franchise QB has been injured. Sounds very familiar to Luck and the Colts. And the Seahawks too but Wilson is better talented than Cam and Luck to avoid disaster, and in general.

That’s the route the Panther tool and was the point of my post. That’s pathetic.

It gets even worse. I can do the entire oline sing Kalil retired, or even before when he was given a horrendous extension in JR fashion to sit on the bench. I’d rather not layout the rest of the oline moves the franchise has made it only gets more depressing. Especially when we consider hindsight and who was drafted. But I digress.

Considering 90% of super bowl caliber teams in the past decade and beyond have had a top 10 oline, that’s pretty poor investment, planning and forethought when solid players started retiring.

Then in 2020 the Panther draft all defense and once again bandaid up the oline.

I can guarantee the team won’t be a SB contender until the franchise actually addresses the oline. It’s simply a fact of history.

[MechaZain]

well this thread was fun

[SmokinwithWilly]

On 8/7/2020 at 8:12 PM, panthers55 said:

I think it was abundantly clear that Rhule and his staff were directing who we drafted. Hurney's job is to get the players his coaches say they need to run their scheme. He doesn't decide who we go after.  The only folks who keep up this false dialogue have a grudge.

Rhule wasn't here for last years draft. That would have been Rivera, but thanks for playing.

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Rhule wasn't here for last years draft. That would have been Rivera, but thanks for playing.

We got Okung in March. Rhule was here and made that choice. Along with all the other ones this year. Who are you talking about?

Little?   Yeah that was Rivera. The point remains that Hurney's job is to get the players the coaches and scouts want. So it isn't his choice. Try to keep up 

[rayzor]

Of course.

[Cuttinedge]

Trai been playing like he was retired so what’s the big deal 

[Moo Daeng]

Turner has just been cashing checks now for several years. Not really a loss given the rebuild.

[Shotgun]

On 8/9/2020 at 11:51 AM, panthers55 said:

We got Okung in March. Rhule was here and made that choice. Along with all the other ones this year. Who are you talking about?

Little?   Yeah that was Rivera. The point remains that Hurney's job is to get the players the coaches and scouts want. So it isn't his choice. Try to keep up 

So Rivera and Fox are responsible for all his good first round picks? We need to get them back then,

[raz]

On 8/9/2020 at 11:51 AM, panthers55 said:

We got Okung in March. Rhule was here and made that choice. Along with all the other ones this year. Who are you talking about?

Little?   Yeah that was Rivera. The point remains that Hurney's job is to get the players the coaches and scouts want. So it isn't his choice. Try to keep up 

i'm not gonna do your research for you but there have been stories written about marty getting hard ons for players and selecting them exactly against the advice of the other involved parties.  i hope part of the situation under tepper is he no longer has that power.

[MasterAwesome]

On 8/7/2020 at 8:40 PM, Toomers said:

And you didn’t get a Pro Bowl LT. That’s why the Chargers offered him up. Why else would they? If they weren’t concerned about his health/play? And since you are paying 4M more this year, and have to pay a RG for two years, how much is this savings that doesn’t even exist? 

Only Toomers can apply this logic discriminately without realizing the ironic indictment he’s making on Trai Turner. Ya know...the “5-time Pro Bowler” as he made sure to emphasize!

[thefuzz]

Was a dumb move then, and it stinks even worse now.

 

Not surprising in the least from this front office though.

[raz]

okung would be crazy to play with a pre-existing heart condition and covid around

[WarPanthers89]

Not sure if you guys read the post on page 9 or his twitter....but he’s not retiring. 
 

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