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Is Moore really better than Samuel?

micnificent28

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I feel its a fair question. Moore by no means is a scrub, but Samuel seems to always get open more consistently. He's more clutch on 3rd down and his value has been kept down for years by poor coaching and bad qb play. Moore had a monster year last season but how much of that was manufactured off our offense and play design? You can't plan for yac and thats what Moore does best. You also can't scheme it into your production every week.

Its one of those things that if it happens it happens. That said samuel is no slouch there in the yac department either. The difference is it seems you can depend on samuel getting open more often than Moore. Moore wins in a more physical contested catch situation which you need but since you paid robby the who should you pay debate gets a little more murky. I like both them but I think Samuel with his utility and clutch value has atleast earned the right to ask the question

Is there a right answer?

 

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7 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I feel its a fair question. Moore by no means is a scrub, but Samuel seems to always get open more consistently. He's more clutch on 3rd down and his value has been kept down for years by poor coaching and bad qb play. Moore had a monster year last season but how much of that was manufactured off our offense and play design? You can't plan for yac and thats what Moore does best. You also can't scheme it into your production every week.

Its one of those things that if it happens it happens. That said samuel is no slouch there in the yac department either. The difference is it seems you can depend on samuel getting open more often than Moore. Moore wins in a more physical contested catch situation which you need but since you paid robby the who should you pay debate gets a little more murky. I like both them but I think Samuel with his utility and clutch value has atleast earned the right to ask the question

Is there a right answer?

 

Who?

Did Moore even play today?

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Lol

 

Ive been defending Samuel from the get go but he’s not close to Moore. If Moore played with a better QB he would be running away with the receiving yardage crown, he’s open all game long, while getting covered by the opposing teams best DB

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Samuel is certainly benefitting from being covered by the third CB as opposed to the 1 or 2.  That said, he's showing much better hands this year than he's shown in previous years.

I think DJ needs a QB who can really press the ball downfield.  Yes, Teddy "can" throw deep, but he can't PUSH the ball deep.  We're missing that 15-20 yard out that DJ thrives on.

Our receivers are, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, our receivers are GOOD.  They get open, they catch, the get YAC.  Teddy is a fine game manager, but he's not a franchise QB.  If we had an outstanding defense, we could go a long way with Teddy.  Wanna prove it to yourself?  Ask yourself, how many points would we score if all you did was swap Bridgewater for Mahomes.

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4 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Samuel is certainly benefitting from being covered by the third CB as opposed to the 1 or 2.  That said, he's showing much better hands this year than he's shown in previous years.

I think DJ needs a QB who can really press the ball downfield.  Yes, Teddy "can" throw deep, but he can't PUSH the ball deep.  We're missing that 15-20 yard out that DJ thrives on.

Our receivers are, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, our receivers are GOOD.  They get open, they catch, the get YAC.  Teddy is a fine game manager, but he's not a franchise QB.  If we had an outstanding defense, we could go a long way with Teddy.  Wanna prove it to yourself?  Ask yourself, how many points would we score if all you did was swap Bridgewater for Mahomes.

On the real, Samuel has always been able to get separation. He never was meant to be the main guy, but he has certainly been the WR2 with a modicum of success. Being that we must be skeptical of the way the previous regime inefficiently used players, Samuel was always better than many thought.

All that being said, Moore, Samuel and Robby Anderson play well together. I think they open things up for one another on any given play. I'd hate to see the trio split up. I think that it's a legitimate question as to whether or not we want to overly invest in any one of them, but as of now all three of them may command more than we may like to pay. 

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out. I don't know that there's a right or wrong answer. I do trust Rhule to figure it out!

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