Panthers interviewing Reese today

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Maybe it’s just because the only thing we have to compare him to is Hurney, but here are the results of each of his seasons (including 2017 because he was GM for the draft and free agency so that was his team despite getting fired during training camp):

 

2013: 12-4, divisional round loss

2014: 7-8-1, divisional round loss

2015: 15-1, Super Bowl loss

2016: 6-10, missed playoffs

2017: 11-5, wild card loss

 

I don’t know how anyone can argue that is anything other than a mostly successful tenure, in terms of pure outcome. I agree, he wound up missing in the draft considerably more than you’d hope for, but as Belichick (a notably horrible drafter) has shown, it doesn’t matter how you get there, as long as you can build a roster that can win. He should not have been fired when he was, and it’s certainly possible the team still would’ve fallen apart with Cam’s injuries whether DG stayed or not, but I wouldn’t assume that. We’ll never know, but that 5 season stretch is easily the best in our team’s history and DG should’ve been kept around at least another year or two to see what he could’ve kept building here. If we still fell apart then yeah I’d agree with you, but we never got the chance to see how it played out. His Giants tenure isn’t looking so good, but his 5 seasons here were pretty successful overall.

And you already know that the key guys on the team were drafted by Hurney. Gettleman should've been able to finish the deal, but he me made arguably questional decisions that put more obstacles in the way than less.

That's all I'm going to say about that before I make a liar out of myself.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Did DG really end badly? He certainly wasn't perfect here and has been questionable in NY, but DG had pretty damn good success here, ultimately.

Couldn't stand the guy so I can't really give an unbiased assessment.

[t96]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And you already know that the key guys on the team were drafted by Hurney. Gettleman should've been able to finish the deal, but he me made arguably questional decisions that put more obstacles in the way than less.

That's all I'm going to say about that before I make a liar out of myself.

I’ll just say this—those same key guys were here in 2011, 2012, 2018, and some in 2019 still... It’s really difficult to judge who should be responsible for specific successes/failures, I just think the best way to do it for fans like us is the bottom line of wins/losses. HC/GM share equal blame/credit for that in my opinion, and DG’s track record here in that category was solid, despite not coming out of it with a SB win. Hurney’s record with the same coach and many of the same core players was terrible...

[DaveThePanther2008]

He drafted a WR that was out of the league in 5 years.  A linebacker we didn't need,  A DT we didn't need and 3 CB in a row.  

He may have drafted BPA but his BPA was not even close to BPA.   

His overall draft success was not very good.  First rounders were so so and latter rounds, for the most part, were not very good.

Not to mention he released Steve Smith who played 3 or 4 more good years with Baltimore.

I think what really bothered me the most about Gettleman was he talked Hog Mollies yet drafted very little Hog Mollies.

 

[hepcat]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Did DG really end badly? He certainly wasn't perfect here and has been questionable in NY, but DG had pretty damn good success here, ultimately.

DG was primed to make smart moves before Richardson fired him. He didn't want to extend Greg Olsen or Thomas Davis, two players who contributed very little after they received their contract extensions from Marty Hurney. At least, rumor has it that's why Richardson fired him, in addition to letting go of Josh Norman.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

He drafted a WR that was out of the league in 5 years.  A linebacker we didn't need,  A DT we didn't need and 3 CB in a row.  

He may have drafted BPA but his BPA was not even close to BPA.   

His overall draft success was not very good.  First rounders were so so and latter rounds, for the most part, were not very good.

Not to mention he released Steve Smith who played 3 or 4 more good years with Baltimore.

I think what really bothered me the most about Gettleman was he talked Hog Mollies yet drafted very little Hog Mollies.

 

DG's biggest problem was that he had early success dumpster diving from other rosters and then thought he was just the king of dumpster diving. I always felt like he believe his free agent evaluation ability would trump conventional wisdom. That proved to be far, far, far from the truth. He made such insane blunders. Anyone remember the Matt Kalil contract we just go out from under? 

No fuging thanks. That guy sucked so hard. 

[thefuzz]

58 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

He drafted a WR that was out of the league in 5 years.  A linebacker we didn't need,  A DT we didn't need and 3 CB in a row.  

He may have drafted BPA but his BPA was not even close to BPA.   

His overall draft success was not very good.  First rounders were so so and latter rounds, for the most part, were not very good.

Not to mention he released Steve Smith who played 3 or 4 more good years with Baltimore.

I think what really bothered me the most about Gettleman was he talked Hog Mollies yet drafted very little Hog Mollies.

 

Drafted, drafted, drafted, released favorite player....but we won.

 

As I have said on this board before, Panthers fans care more about pulling for the name on the back, more than the wins.

Had a fan tell me once they would prefer to know the players and be excited to pull for them on Sundays rather than win consistently.

Of course, said fan was talking about Cam, Luke, Olsen, Davis, Smith, Peppers, etc....

 

I think that DG didn't do a great job here, but he was WORLDS better than what we had prior and post...but I hope to God that we can do better with this hire.

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

I have never disagreed with you more, but that's OK.

I think he had above average success on the contractual side and below average success on the drafting side! I think that he was downright bad to abysmal at what I'll call situational team building (which it's all situational), as he was much too dogmatic in his theories and approach to modern-day football. Just my $0.02. I am not going to get into an unnecessary debate on Gettleman. He's gone... thankfully!

How do we define average?  I think sometimes our fan base here greatly over estimates the league average for draft results.  I read somewhere that 60-70% of third round draft picks are out of the NFL after 4 years.  The numbers are only slightly higher for second round picks.  If we look at  Gettleman's drafting, 4 out of 5 from 2013 are still playing.  2 out of 6 for 2014.  4 out of 5 for 2015.  3 out of 5 for 2016, and 6 out of 7 for 2017.   Given that some of them are practice squad or non starters, but the overall numbers are pretty decent.  

If we are comparing his numbers to what we think they should be, then he doesn't look that good.  But if we compare them to the rest of the league, then they would appear to be at or above average.

IMO, his biggest issues were on the free agent contract side and the way he tore apart the defense after the Super bowl.    We went from a top 5 d in 2015 to letting Julio Jones set single game records in 2016.  

[Woodie]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am going to be curious if this process goes like the coaching search. We have a full plan laid out and then all of a sudden it is all over and we have a guy because Tepper finds "The Guy."

I think that's exactly how it's going to play out.  I believe Tepper keeps interviewing until he finds his guy.  And when he does, he won't waste any time locking him up.  Just like with the coaching search, it will feel a bit abrupt, but ultimately, he'll get his man.

It's also why we needed to interview Reese early.  He fulfills the Rooney Rule, so when we find the right guy, we can move fast. 

Wouldn't it suck to interview a guy like Peters, and decide he's the guy, but the team can't make a formal or even informal offer until after they can find a Rooney rule candidate to interview first (and if word gets out that Peter's is your guy, how many minority candidates would even be interested in interviewing here knowing it's just a token interview and a huge waste of their time?).  In the meantime, someone else sweeps in and offers Peters a boatload of money, stealing him out from under us.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Woodie said:

I think that's exactly how it's going to play out.  I believe Tepper keeps interviewing until he finds his guy.  And when he does, he won't waste any time locking him up.  Just like with the coaching search, it will feel a bit abrupt, but ultimately, he'll get his man.

It's also why we needed to interview Reese early.  He fulfills the Rooney Rule, so when we find the right guy, we can move fast. 

Wouldn't it suck to interview a guy like Peters, and decide he's the guy, but the team can't make a formal or even informal offer until after they can find a Rooney rule candidate to interview first (and if word gets out that Peter's is your guy, how many minority candidates would even be interested in interviewing here knowing it's just a token interview and a huge waste of their time?).  In the meantime, someone else sweeps in and offers Peters a boatload of money, stealing him out from under us.

Reese was interviewed today. According to Breer, Ireland should be interviewing tomorrow.

And now we've also got a time frame for Peters, Wednesday.

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am going to be curious if this process goes like the coaching search. We have a full plan laid out and then all of a sudden it is all over and we have a guy because Tepper finds "The Guy."

It's possible some of those extra interviews were "just in case", i.e. backup plans if we didn't get the guy we wanted.

That could apply here too. I mean, are we definitely gonna interview nine candidates or more?

[Woodie]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Reese was interviewed today. According to Breer, Ireland should be interviewing tomorrow.

And now we've also got a time frame for Peters, Wednesday.

 

I think the order of interviews is significant.  Tepper wants a new GM in place sooner rather than later, so it makes sense that he is setting up the first interviews with some of the guys that we assume are highest on his want list (except Reese, who, IMO, is primarily interviewing to complete the Rooney Rule).  

[Anybodyhome]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Also a sign that you were unemployed, available and we didn't have to ask anybody for permission.

Was gonna say.... how long has Reese been out of football?

And I personally prioritize an assistant locker room manager.

[FuFuLamePoo]

10 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I think the order of interviews is significant.  Tepper wants a new GM in place sooner rather than later, so it makes sense that he is setting up the first interviews with some of the guys that we assume are highest on his want list (except Reese, who, IMO, is primarily interviewing to complete the Rooney Rule).  

Broncos opening up a role for a new GM is also significant, could see them getting in on Peters as well