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Verge's Draft General thread 2021


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6 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

every year it’s the same for Bama. The problem is most Bama guys just don’t pan out in the NFL. 

Their QBs, and DBs tend to fall into that trend, the WR / OL / DL / LB / HB tend to translate over consistently overall -- You could include their S's as well in most cases regarding some NFL success. 

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24 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

every year it’s the same for Bama. The problem is most Bama guys just don’t pan out in the NFL. 

They get beat up.  You can blame some of that to the SEC and who they play, but the way I have always heard it most of their players get beat up in practice more than they do in the games.  Then they get to the NFL and they are just not the same player anymore.  Not all of them, but alot are like that.

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I'm a little late on this as I was out to lunch and a walk in the park with the fam but the Minshew market is certainly heating up as there are a couple of teams that have made an offer to Jacksonville for him. 

Also, when I asked my guy about Sam Darnold he said "No one has literally any idea lol" 

So that's nice. 

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Just now, Icege said:

 

Was coming in here to ask what you thought about Oweh sneaking into the 1st round now, but you're already ahead of it

I knew that he was gonna measure well, but lawd almighty 😮

Yeah that is insane. Same with Parsons, we were expecting like 4.46 for Parsons. 

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25 minutes ago, Verge said:

Yeah that is insane. Same with Parsons, we were expecting like 4.46 for Parsons. 

I admit to you being more in the know than I, but in the past pro day forty times have been about a tenth of a second off in favor of the players due to the fact they aren't electronically timed. Does this still hold true?

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