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Gunslinger or Game Manager

DaveThePanther2008

By DaveThePanther2008,
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Gunslinger or Game Manager  

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  1. 1. Which would you Rather Have?

    • Gunslinger
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Madwolf Rising Star

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

A game manager just won the Super Bowl.

I disagree a bit, in that I think we actually agree, but this is too much if a black and white conversation with these two options and our individual ideas on what these molds mean.

Game Manager to me is a guy who throws 15-20 times a game and lets the run game do the work.

Gunslinger is a guy who throws 25-30+ times a game on average and is the primary focus of the offense.

To me Tom Brady is a gunslinger in this conversation.

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frankw Grand Master

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It's not an either or in the modern nfl. Offenses have evolved so much that even the best quarterbacks aren't slinging it on a rope between multiple defenders all the time. You see plenty of dump offs and screens from strong arm qb's and times where they are just letting things flow. It isn't about just taking risks but having the ability and knowing when it is time to nut up and take over when the win is within grasp. That is the difference between a truly elite modern quarterback and a game manager who will opt for a short pass on 4th and long with the game on the line. Which would you rather have leading your team?

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2 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I disagree a bit, in that I think we actually agree, but this is too much if a black and white conversation with these two options and our individual ideas on what these molds mean.

Game Manager to me is a guy who throws 15-20 times a game and lets the run game do the work.

Gunslinger is a guy who throws 25-30+ times a game on average and is the primary focus of the offense.

To me Tom Brady is a gunslinger in this conversation.

I think you need to create a third category for someone of Tom Brady's talent. He belongs in a "Hybrid" category because he does "what needs to be done" in what situation he is in. 

I think you could argue Tom can be both a gunslinger and a game manager depending on what the defense throws at him. Also depending on what your views on what a gunslinger or a game manager is.

 

This is just my opinion though

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I think that you need to define the term more.

The best two in the game throw some gunslinger type passes all the time, they just complete a TON of them, and throw very few INT's.

I don't consider Rodgers to be a gunslinger, in the typical sense, but he sure does do some gunslingery things out there on a weekly basis...while throwing 5 picks per season.

Teddy isn't a game manager or a gunslinger, he's a backup QB.

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Just now, Madwolf said:

I disagree a bit, in that I think we actually agree, but this is too much if a black and white conversation with these two options and our individual ideas on what these molds mean.

Game Manager to me is a guy who throws 15-20 times a game and lets the run game do the work.

Gunslinger is a guy who throws 25-30+ times a game on average and is the primary focus of the offense.

To me Tom Brady is a gunslinger in this conversation.

Gunslingers tend to be more up and down, less consistent. It's the reason why they have a lot of fourth quarter comebacks, because they make more mistakes in the first part of the game.

Game managers are more consistent, and generally more accurate precision type passers. They can be maddening to play against because it seems like they just don't stop gaining yards.

One good way to understand the difference is to look at golfers. You have some that are consistent every shot while others might take two or three shots that don't look so good but make up for it with one that's absolutely incredible.

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Coaching fit matters here too.

It's hard to imagine a better coach to quarterback connection than Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Payton had a system and Brees was the perfect quarterback to run it.

On the flipside, when Ron Rivera was coaching Cam Newton it was basically a case of "go out and win the game for me".

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If only there was a QB that was a little gunslinger with a rocket arm, but also knew when to use it.

If only...said QB was also a rushing threat.

If only.....fictional QB was also a very large man who could run over LBs and bulldoze DTs.

IF ONLY....this completely and fictional once in a lifetime QB had a coaching staff who didn't let his body and brain deteriorate from wear, tear, and abuse 

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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1 minute ago, Ornias said:

I am not sure Teddy even qualifies as a game manager. He just checked it down constantly no matter that we had guys running free down field. I want a QB that reads deep to short not short to shorter. 

There's an important distinction to be made between style of play and ability.

Brett Favre and Johnny Manziel are both gunslingers, but one is significantly better at football than the other.

Likewise, Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Brees are both game managers, but again, one of them is a lot more successful at it.

A lot of people use "game manager" like a derogatory term, as if it meant that the quarterback in question had lesser ability.

That's a mistake.

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1 minute ago, Ornias said:

I am not sure Teddy even qualifies as a game manager. He just checked it down constantly no matter that we had guys running free down field. I want a QB that reads deep to short not short to shorter. 

There's an important distinction to be made between style of play and ability.

Brett Favre and Johnny Manziel are both gunslingers, but one is significantly better at football than the other.

Likewise, Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Brees are both game managers, but again, one of them is a lot more successful at it.

A lot of people use "game manager" like a derogatory term, as if it meant that the quarterback in question had lesser ability.

That's a mistake.

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