What did we actually gain with the trading down

[Jared Patterson]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

A fourth from Houston.

Fantastic so we have a 2022 4th now????? That would be higher than the fourth we lost for Darnold cause Houston will suck.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm telling you how the evaluators see it, and yes it makes sense.

If you were asked to hire five people this year based solely on stats but couldn't meet or talk to any of them while knowing that next year you also needed to hire people but would be able to fully interview and vet them, which of those two processes would you have more confidence in?

Yeah, we know it was a different year for talent rvakuation. What does any of this have to do with the reality that it has always been standard practice to evaluate future draft picks as roughly one round lesser value?

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, we know it was a different year for talent rvakuation. What does any of this have to do with the reality that it has always been standard practice to evaluate future draft picks as roughly one round lesser value?

 

It has to do with the fact that this year isn't standard.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It has to do with the fact that this year isn't standard.

Understood. But the future draft pick evaluation pretty much was. It's always been roughly one round less, regardless of what spin teams want to put on it. COVID has kinda become a catch all excuse for explaining business decisions. You can go into a lot of evaluation detail or you can just blame COVID. Hell, I'd just blame COVID too. A lot simpler that way and if anyone questions it just call them a COVID denier and mock them. It's lazy, but it's a win/win.

[TheCasillas]

12 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Cutting or trading Jackson saves the team $2.4m and leaves about $400k in dead cap.

There is no way this happens.... as mention on the huddle many times before.... Jackson was a shutdown corner when healthy last year. He is cheap talent to cut. Plus Fitts loves him some Jackson. I can’t think of a player he has talked about more than Jackson 

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Understood. But the future draft pick evaluation pretty much was. It's always been roughly one round less, regardless of what spin teams want to put on it. COVID has kinda become a catch all excuse for explaining business decisions. You can go into a lot of evaluation detail or you can just blame COVID. Hell, I'd just blame COVID too. A lot simpler that way and if anyone questions it just call them a COVID denier and mock them. It's lazy, but it's a win/win.

How do you evaluate talent that hasn’t played in over a year?

[Donald LaFell]

23 hours ago, Ja Rhule said:

And we still got our guy so it’s all worth it

I feel like teams say this no matter what lol

[Sir Big Spurr]

I was frustrated with all of the trades. I understand the concept, but as a fan, you keep watching talented players fall off the board at positions of need and it’s frustrating. At the end of the day, I didn’t hate our draft. I just hope this new staff is better at evaluating late round picks than the last staff.

[Black&BlueBubba]

22 hours ago, MechaZain said:

 

 

They got who they wanted and Fitterer pulled more draft capital out of thin air.

This and more of this.  I have been screaming at Hurney for years loosing every trade and coming out with a bust like Little while loosing valuable 2nd and 3rd round picks.  Just kills your roster.  
 

Time will tell but having more swings and getting guys that fall like Nixon, Brown can make the difference long term. 
 

With a 17 game season I love the building depth strategy.  

[Smittymoose]

38 minutes ago, Sir Big Spurr said:

I was frustrated with all of the trades. I understand the concept, but as a fan, you keep watching talented players fall off the board at positions of need and it’s frustrating. At the end of the day, I didn’t hate our draft. I just hope this new staff is better at evaluating late round picks than the last staff.

Can’t get caught up in the name game. You are more likely to get a few hits swinging 11 times than you are swinging 6 times. It’s really that simple. 

That being said, can’t wait until 1-2 of these guys doesn’t make the team out of camp and masses start screaming about being right on trading down. Will be fun. 

[mav1234]

On 5/1/2021 at 11:54 AM, TheCasillas said:

Not sure why we are trying to break this down.... our moves were perceived by the league as good moves. Why put in the effort to cast doubt ?

As someone that missed large swaths of night two, I didn't even really get a full grasp of what we did.  This breakdown is actually useful for me just to see the outcome, not cast judgment either way.

[Panthers8969]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

All draft pools are not equal. You may not want to acknowledge this fact, but you know that it's absolutely true on an intellectual level. 

These scouting departments scout players from highschool (sometimes earlier) through college.

Sure, I agree each draft class isn’t equal, so why is the concept that the current class is always more valuable than the future class? Sounds like we’re on the same page, it should vary from year to year 

[Panthers8969]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

In years when there there was no Covid, sure.

It's different this year, and multiple NFL people echo that sentiment.

Sure, but that’s not what Rhule said. He said “his guys” (not entirely sure what that means but would presume fitts and co) valued a 3rd this year as a future 2nd. You seem to be saying the opposite (which I would agree with)

[Sir Big Spurr]

23 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

Can’t get caught up in the name game. You are more likely to get a few hits swinging 11 times than you are swinging 6 times. It’s really that simple. 

That being said, can’t wait until 1-2 of these guys doesn’t make the team out of camp and masses start screaming about being right on trading down. Will be fun. 

You’re not wrong at all. It was frustrating watching the draft, but listening to Rhule and Fitterer discuss their decision afterwards eased my mind. I like the direction this team is heading.