Sam's contract and our options

[grimesgoat]

No way I give up picks, unless its a 6 or 7.  I might consider giving a 7th and paying half his salary.  Otherwise, he's my backup.

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

We’d have wasted 2 2nd round picks and fourth and a 6th for 1 year of worst starting qb in the league play. Lol. Naw I’d rather just cut him and eat the 1 year 18 mill cap hit then trade any more picks.

Hey trust me I understand, this is just being realistic about other options other than eating the cap hit, if trading a 2nd means we keep our guys or add a o line I think we can recover from that quicker than just having him eat cap on a potential playoff team 

[TheRumGone]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

Hey trust me I understand, this is just being realistic about other options other than eating the cap hit, if trading a 2nd means we keep our guys or add a o line I think we can recover from that quicker than just having him eat cap on a potential playoff team 

They’re not gonna trade a 2nd to get rid of him. Just not gonna happen.

[Panther'sBigD]

Who in their right mind would ever trade away draft picks to get rid of a $20M salary?!?!@?! EAT IT, draft his replacement and move on. We've been saddled with way worse contracts over the years. This is nothing. 

[tecc86]

4 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

Who in their right mind would ever trade away draft picks to get rid of a $20M salary?!?!@?! EAT IT, draft his replacement and move on. We've been saddled with way worse contracts over the years. This is nothing. 

The Rams

[Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands]

I say we eat it, but if we did trade a draft pick away, I don't think it would require a 2023 2nd round pick.  I go back to Brock Osweiler and his contract had 3 years left at about $18M per year and the compensation wasn't that high.  In that trade, The Browns agreed to send a 2017 fourth-round pick to the Houston Texans in return for Osweiler, a 2017 sixth-rounder and the Texans’ 2018 second-round selection.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/09/flashback-friday-brock-osweiler-trade-one-year-ago-today/

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands said:

I say we eat it, but if we did trade a draft pick away, I don't think it would require a 2023 2nd round pick.  I go back to Brock Osweiler and his contract had 3 years left at about $18M per year and the compensation wasn't that high.  In that trade, The Browns agreed to send a 2017 fourth-round pick to the Houston Texans in return for Osweiler, a 2017 sixth-rounder and the Texans’ 2018 second-round selection.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/09/flashback-friday-brock-osweiler-trade-one-year-ago-today/

No it didn’t. It was 16M in guaranteed base salary. Just like Darnold. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Hopefully we can eat some salary and trade him for something. That's what we had to do with Teddy. If not, just eat it and cut him. The cap hit is the same either way and he's useless on the roster.

[SetfreexX]

I think a trade even with incentive is unlikely, everyone saw how bad of a QB Sam has been over the past 4 years. 

This will simply go down as a horrible decision, we will likely take the lump on next years cap and move on. We're estimated to have -- 36M in cap going into the 2022 off-season -- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/2022/ and 135M in 2023 -- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/2023/

If Sumir earns his money which I am sure he has, I think we could bee in line for some creative contract structures for the players we extend similar to how Robbie's initial 20M / 2yr deal was split (8M / 12M). 

Extending / restructuring Shaq's contract would go a long way, there's not many cuts that would make sense (Fox / Bouye) in relation to the cap savings. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

18 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

They’re not gonna trade a 2nd to get rid of him. Just not gonna happen.

Well than if not you eat the cap but I’m exhausting doing that before I let Sam eat 19 mil and not provide anything on this team and hinder signing important pieces back 

[glenwo2]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hopefully we can eat some salary and trade him for something. That's what we had to do with Teddy. If not, just eat it and cut him. The cap got is the same either way and he's useless on the roster.

I'd venture to say he's useless everywhere now.    He'd deadweight as an NFL player. 

 

[Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands]

11 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No it didn’t. It was 16M in guaranteed base salary. Just like Darnold. 

Regardless of what was guaranteed on the Osweiler deal, it wasn't a straight 2nd pick.

[Jackie Lee]

7 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I think a trade even with incentive is unlikely, everyone saw how bad of a QB Sam has been over the past 4 years. 

This will simply go down as a horrible decision, we will likely take the lump on next years cap and move on. We're estimated to have -- 36M in cap going into the 2022 off-season -- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/2022/ and 135M in 2023 -- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/2023/

If Sumir earns his money which I am sure he has, I think we could bee in line for some creative contract structures for the players we extend similar to how Robbie's initial 20M / 2yr deal was split (8M / 12M). 

Extending / restructuring Shaq's contract would go a long way, there's not many cuts that would make sense (Fox / Bouye) in relation to the cap savings. 

Yeah not seeing much in major saving per player than Shaq, that could be around $5m freed up. Moton/CMC/Robby are the big newish contracts so seems like a stretch to restructure already unless it's simple 1 year extensions to move money around. Either way we could probably get Cam/Reddick/Gilmore all back with big bonuses/small cap hits. The Saints do this stuff every year

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands said:

Regardless of what was guaranteed on the Osweiler deal, it wasn't a straight 2nd pick.

That’s fine. Just doesn’t have a incorrect opinion supported by false info like the first post did.