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Can We Fix The Offense in 2022?


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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not so sure.

In his time here, Rhule has parted ways with two staff members. Both came from outside his circle, and both were replaced with people from inside his circle.

Regarding Brady, Rhule said his hire was "out of his comfort zone". And even though he says he doesn't regret that, it's not hard to imagine him using that as justification to not go that route again.

If he stays, and there are staff changes, I imagine the finished product will have more Rhule influence rather than less.

As soon as I heard Rhule say that hiring Brady was outside of his comfort zone, I knew right then that that was going to lead to Rhule only ever giving the nod to people he's personally familiar with.

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23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The ultimate truth though is that while Rhule may know what he's doing at the college level, all indications are that he's in over his head at the pro level.

Building and running an NFL team is a massively different project than doing the same for college.

from a philisophy perspective, what do you think the difference is? Ive been thinking about this more and more lately. The only things that come to mind is :

1. Money
2. Layers of leadership
3. Talent gap is much more narrow

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17 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

from a philisophy perspective, what do you think the difference is? Ive been thinking about this more and more lately. The only things that come to mind is :

1. Money
2. Layers of leadership
3. Talent gap is much more narrow

Money and leadership 

Rhule is use to a world where you ask the college for something and they give it to you...equipment, coaches, etc and etc. Thats why college facilities blow NFL ones away in this day and age because the money from Boosters never stop but he does not realize this. This is a business not a free for all. Rhule asks for a lot from operations side of things but forgets the budget.

Leadership. Rhule needs to realize that he needs to let the locker room (players) lead and not be the head figure. He can be the leader of the coaches and hold them accountable which he refuses to do to his circle.

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2 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

from a philisophy perspective, what do you think the difference is? Ive been thinking about this more and more lately. The only things that come to mind is :

1. Money
2. Layers of leadership
3. Talent gap is much more narrow

4. Vastly different audience. Motivating adults who are paid (significantly) is a very different skill than motivating college kids.

Add in that the level of competition is hugely superior. Meyer was right (for once) when he said being an NFL coach is like playing Alabama every week.

And because that level of competition is so high, you need the best coaches available. Your buddies from Baylor and Temple probably aren't gonna get that job done.

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Very hard, but possible

New OL coach. All NFL OLs have injuries and issues. Seen many with less talent than panthers have better results

New OC thats been there done that. 

Lots of luck

Land a difference maker in the draft ie LT or rare QB

Land a couple OGs in free agency

Tremble becomes a real NFL TE

CMC stays healthy full season

3 WR set becomes the new base with TMJ becoming a stud...

 

 

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Easiest way to fix the offense is a new staff that prioritizes OL.  We need a reliable run game and pass protection to support any QB.  It would help a mediocre to bad "bridge" QB look better, and would help a rookie QB acclimate to the pro game.  It would be possible to do in one offseason by adding ~3 upgrades on the offensive line.

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8 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

So an interesting thing occurred this past Friday at my company xmas party I attended. We flew in all of our team members from all over the country... I often make jokes about the Panthers in social environments, including with my clients. 
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great read.  Thanks for sharing this with us.  It's a very interesting perspective.  

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8 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

from a philisophy perspective, what do you think the difference is? Ive been thinking about this more and more lately. The only things that come to mind is :

1. Money
2. Layers of leadership
3. Talent gap is much more narrow

I think the biggest difference is your #3 - the talent gap 

In college the talent gap is huge.  As a consequence successful coaches are great salesmen.  Persuade those 5 star guys to join your roster and you can coast for most of the season because your team is so much better.

In the NFL talent is pretty equal so coaches have to out think / out scheme / out work their peers.  They succeed by being operations experts with encyclopedic knowledge of the game and flexible game plans.   Football engineers of sorts.  

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