Jonathan Alexander on Rhule/Fitterer/Morgan, re: roles in roster building

[trueblade]

42 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I think Rhule needs to win at least 9 games next year to keep his job.  (believe it or not, Darnold went 7-6 with the jets in 2019, so it may be possible) 

Our schedule in 2022 looks to be more difficult than what we faced in 2021. We will face the NFC West and AFC North next season. Two divisions that are strong top to bottom. This means we'll play both Super Bowl participants plus a third team from Championship Weekend. There's still the off-season but those teams tend to be well run. 

[Jackie Lee]

30 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bingo. I will honestly be surprised if Rhule doesn't truly fug us over this offseason trading future assets in a desperately reckless attempt to win now.

Yup so much for his "program building". Any loser can gamble on random free agents and throw them under the bus when they don't work out.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, jackson113 said:

Chip Kelly 2.0 without the winning season...

And it's important to note Chip Kelly didn't completely go off the rails until he wrestled full control away from whoever the GM was at the time, I can't remember who.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

I thought his wife had final say on drafting running backs. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, TANTRIC-NINJA said:

I thought his wife had final say on drafting running backs. 

Depending on how long it's been since ole Matty got laid, Mrs. Rhule likely has final say on whatever she wants.

[Waldo]

18 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

Fitterer and Morgan came aboard AFTER Rhule was hired. This falls more on Tepper for keeping Hurney around a year longer than he should although I understand the rationale. I’m of the thinking that Rhule having the final say does not mean he has total autonomy over the roster with no collaboration. As P-Claw stated earlier, the HC’s control over the roster is not unique to the Panthers, so there’s really no need for panic IMO.
 

 

They took the job as is like you stated 'after Rhule was hired' with complete control. They took it knowing how this was going to be ran, job interviewing runs both ways. That is on them, all except Morgan so far due to when he was hired, and they have done a very poor job to date. It all falls on Tepper sure but that doesn't take away from how bad the rest have done. 

It's not panic for me, it's complete disgust. 

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, jackson113 said:

Chip Kelly 2.0 without the winning season...

or impressive college resume

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Big difference between "wants" and "has'. 

Yep. The only teams I know of besides us where the coach has final say are the Seahawks and, of course, the Patriots.

Most teams have the GM over the coach.

(wish we did)

[pantherclaw]

37 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Wanting it, sure, but a coach contractually getting it, particularly someone like Rhule who had zero NFL experience, is not common at all.

That's  quite the assumption there. 

 

[Basbear]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

I thought all you folks knew Rhule ran the show? It's no big secret. 

Im confused as well, why the surprise??

[davos]

3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Im confused as well, why the surprise??

Reactions seem par for the course, don't see anyone like,. "ohhh realllly?!?". The interesting note is the OP confirmation w/ the added news of the contract language.  It's always been his show.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Im confused as well, why the surprise??

I think everyone already knew that. I think some folks were just holding out hope that after two seasons of colossal failure that maybe that dynamic had been shifted somewhat. I mean, I'm not surprised that it hasn't but there was definitely some cause for hope that maybe it had.

Tepper really is still all in on Matt Rhule. This would be like Tepper putting all of his hedgefund into a tanking penny stock with awful financials and no clear pathway towards financial success. How long do you think his investors would've stuck with him in that scenario? Well, we're the "investors" in this scenario and Tepper has no track record of success to lean on in the football world. In the football word, he's basically a Redditor in his mom's basement who still has his entire life savings tied up in GameStop stock.

[KSpan]

11 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

That's  quite the assumption there. 

 

Not really. There's a reason we don't hear about it more, and that's because teams aren't typically dumb enough to do it with unproven quantities.

Key word there being typically.

Edited February 8, 2022 by KSpan

[Basbear]

Just now, davos said:

Reactions seem par for the course, don't see anyone like,. "ohhh realllly?!?". The interesting note is the OP confirmation w/ the added news of the contract language.  It's always been his show.

I thought most huddlers knew this since most here are in the hardcore status. The doomed and o noes ones, like this was the way for tepper to get his prized pick.