Jeremiah: Panthers "dead set" on drafting an offensive lineman

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

This is the debate around Tyler Linderbaum. Checks off every box but do you want to use a #6 on a center? That's higher than Luke and Christian were picked. Kalil was the top C of his class and we got him at the bottom of the second.

Was he worth a first round? Considering how good he was and how long he played, was he worth a first round pick?

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

He doesn't need a mole because Rhule can't keep his mouth shut. 

Damned truth 

I’ve never seen a nfl coach run his mouth so much 

[jayboogieman]

15 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Was he worth a first round? Considering how good he was and how long he played, was he worth a first round pick?

12 years as the Panther's center with 148 games played. Only 24 penalties in all that time. 5249 snaps with only two fumbles. Yeah, Kalil should have been a top 15 first rounder.

Source for stats.

[*FreeFua*]

15 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Damned truth 

I’ve never seen a nfl coach run his mouth so much 

The huddle this time last year “omg I can’t believe we’re going to take Mac Jones”

[pantherclaw]

4 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

I'm not Mr Scot, but I wouldn't say most were upset about passing on Slater last year. A lot of folks wanted Fields. A lot of the "experts" had Slater as the 1B OT in that draft. He wouldn't have been a reach at all.

As for Horn over Slater? I thought it was an ok pick since corner has been a need for quite a while. I also said I would have taken Slater over Horn since tackles impact every offensive snap whereas corners do not impact every defensive one.

Either way. Horn, while ultimately isn't whom I wanted, wasn't  my first two choices either.  And several teams also felt it was to early for slater, not that I would have minded slater. 

This board was,,  WTF.  

[WarHeel]

3 hours ago, MechaZain said:

This is the debate around Tyler Linderbaum. Checks off every box but do you want to use a #6 on a center? That's higher than Luke and Christian were picked. Kalil was the top C of his class and we got him at the bottom of the second.

Better a one-round reach for a centerpiece for the franchise vs a round/pick appropriate bust. Just my opinion.

[MechaZain]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

Was he worth a first round? Considering how good he was and how long he played, was he worth a first round pick?

Yes. I don't treat positional value as gospel.  BPA is a myth as well since you won't really know who that was was until the class hits the field.

There's a lot of unspoken value in having a positon sured up, no matter how important it is overall. 

[Shotgun]

On 2/28/2022 at 3:52 PM, thennek said:

I wish they were dead set on the Oline during the 2021 draft….

and the 2020,2019,2018,2017,2016,2015,2014,2013,2012 drafts

[Shotgun]

On 2/28/2022 at 4:00 PM, Daddy_Uncle said:

We better. Don't screw it up and take a scrub QB

We're all set with those.

[Basbear]

16 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

and the 2020,2019,2018,2017,2016,2015,2014,2013,2012 drafts

Going back to 2105 every year I was wanting at least 2 OT in the draft, by the end of the 2017 draft I had completely given up on that hope.

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

This board was,,  WTF.  

You should be used to it by now. That's par for the course.

[Peon Awesome]

Sounds like Linderbaum is akin to Quenton Nelson, a surefire, best prospect in years at a less valuable OL position. Interestingly, Nelson was also drafted at pick 6. No one really questions that selection now. Granted, Nelson had to become a perennial 1st team all pro to really make it worth it and he has. That's a high bar. I'd be ok with Linderbaum; he'd be ultra safe and undoubtedly make our team and offensive line better. But if an OT worthy of a top 10 pick is there, I think you have to take him. The positional value and scarcity of LTs is just too much. The salary allotted to the 6th pick is comparable to a top 10 C but amounts to maybe half of what it costs to sign a top 10 LT; plus free agent centers worthy of signing come around far more often than LTs. 

In a perfect world, if you're taking Linderbaum, you trade down a few spots, draft him and get a sorely needed 3rd. But a lot would have to align perfectly for that: a willing trade partner presenting a good offer and the gamble that he's still available at that slot. And would also have to hope Christensen is equipped to handle LT in that scenario. 

[davos]

Surprised the hype around Green isn't as high a Linderbaum.  He has the size along with the athletic+power combo.  Is if not more tough as nails than the Iowa kid.  Can play tackle and guard (likely long-term guard starter).

Kenyon Green could the the "reach" pick

[davos]

6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Remember Bradbury the C from NC State who was picked middle of the 1st? He was lauded but McCoy and Jenkins were just a hair behind him in ranking (and played better in the NFL), but they went almost a whole round later. That’s why I’m not a big Linderbaum guy. There seem to be C/Gs who are just a shade better than other C/Gs and they go way earlier than the 2nd/3rd rated guys. The value is usually the 2nd/3rd guys. That’s why I am all in on LT this year and would rather get our future C in day 2 next year when we actually have a day 2 pick or at least have it now. 

True. 

A separate point though is I’m seeing Green ranked right alongside or even higher than Tyler L in a handful of cases.

Anywhere from 8-20ish on big boards.

He’s an interesting one who should be discussed more.