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Orlovsky: Pickett doesn’t have anything that isn’t coachable


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1 hour ago, PhillyB said:

cam newton permanently broke some of you

It is admittedly very difficult getting excited for a QB prospect when we drafted the most physically gifted QB of all time lol.

 

A decade earlier, Peppers did the same thing. We are supposed to be impressed with 6’4” 250? Gtfoh lol. 

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I agree with him, I don't think Pickett or any QB in this draft is top-10 pick worthy.  We have other needs that mesh with the available talent in the draft pretty nicely.  Like LT.

That said, if you believe Darnold will not pan out (and the odds are heavily with you), we have nobody on the depth chart at the QB position that will/should be there in 2023.  Heading into next year with a completely new QB room is risky, even if the entire coaching staff turns over. 

Given my view of the QBs available in the draft and our QB room, it would make a second or third round QB pick almost a necessity (or signing a cheap vet).  Again, just my view of the world, the difference between the best of what is available this year and the middle is not that great.  So, if we had or acquire a second or third, snag somebody, if Darnold blows chunks, get the new guy some time and figure out if he is/should be #1 or #2 going into 2023 (if #2, you need a #1) and call it a day.  That is not a formula for success in 2022 unless Darnold defies the odds, but the fact that the entire team took a step backwards in 2021 put us where we are.  We are entering 2022 where we were entering 2021, maybe worse off.

The only assumption is that whoever is drafted is better than PJ.  He may be better than Darnold right off the street, too, in which case he is the sole survivor on the QB depth chart heading into 2023.  If he isn't better than Darnold, he is probably still the sole survivor (unless Darnold steps up or agrees to come back on the very cheap).

Obviously, if you or the Panthers think there is a long-term answer available that I am underestimating, my plan is out the window.  And if the long-term answer at LT is sitting there at #6, trading down to get a second or third rounder (at least that way) should be out the window.

Then there is the fact that Rhule may be coaching for his job in 2022.  Although, Tepper tends to look longer-term, so if Rhule and Fits have a specific QB(s) identified in the 2023 draft, some of that pressure may be off, for better or worse. 

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7 minutes ago, GEM said:

Well , you have to be pumped no matter who you want to win. Getting closer. I will stop interrupting now. Carry on.

Oh, I am super, super pumped.  Absolutely.  Anyways i'm just fuging with you.  If Duke and Carolina fans cant mess with each other leading up to the biggest game in our combined histories then I don't want to do this anymore 🙂

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It all it takes is an athletic guy who you can coach up on everything else, how come we have so many failures in the first round and guys who never get better. Maybe there are intrinsic factors like handling pressure and thinking on your feet that might be more innate than taught.

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