Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Comparing Sam, Baker, and Jimmy vs. shared opponents last season


Icege
 Share

Recommended Posts

Mentioning passing stats without mentioning who had the better offensive lines and better players around him is very disingenuous

Both Baker and Jimmy had top 10 Offensive lines last year

Sam Darnold has a bottom 5 Offensive every year he has played.

Baker  and Jimmy had better recievers, runningbacks, o Line and Tight ends their entire careers. 

If you mention Darnold being a trash passer at least mention he has also had the worst offensive line and worse skill players around him compared to those two. 

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

The problem with Jimmy G is when the running game gets shut down and they need his arm he shits the bed.  Look at almost every playoff game this past year.  He played awful (yeah they still won until the NFC championship, but it was in spite of him).  Baker may be the same way because the Browns usually have a strong running game.  Baker is just younger with a bit higher of a ceiling and has shown he can play decent with bad coaches.  Jimmy G has had some great teams and coaches.  

We're gonna have Icky and BC on the left side. Our running game will not be shut down.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

50 minutes ago, SammyFranchise said:

Mentioning passing stats without mentioning who had the better offensive lines and better players around him is very disingenuous

Both Baker and Jimmy had top 10 Offensive lines last year

Sam Darnold has a bottom 5 Offensive every year he has played.

Baker  and Jimmy had better recievers, runningbacks, o Line and Tight ends their entire careers. 

If you mention Darnold being a trash passer at least mention he has also had the worst offensive line and worse skill players around him compared to those two. 

The Office Reaction GIF

  • The D 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

41 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

We're gonna have Icky and BC on the left side. Our running game will not be shut down.

I worry about this actually. Icky was a great run blocker in college, but BC doesn't get much push if he's our starting LG. Also teams will load the box (as they did last year). It is imperative that the QB can make it through his progressions and throw the ball down the field somewhat successfully to really help our OL and running game take off.

Edited by Michael G
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

There is virtually no difference between Sam and Baker as far as qbs are concerned.  You can cherry pick whatever stat you want to it won't matter. They both suck and  I can't believe the team wants to throw money and picks at another Sam Darnold clone that is a colossal asshole. 

I was leaning that way but both Jimmy and Baker had a better Oline.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, SammyFranchise said:

Mentioning passing stats without mentioning who had the better offensive lines and better players around him is very disingenuous

Both Baker and Jimmy had top 10 Offensive lines last year

Sam Darnold has a bottom 5 Offensive every year he has played.

Baker  and Jimmy had better recievers, runningbacks, o Line and Tight ends their entire careers. 

If you mention Darnold being a trash passer at least mention he has also had the worst offensive line and worse skill players around him compared to those two. 

His supporting casts no doubt could have been better as far as OL goes but what sunk him through his NFL career are his turnovers and he had a high TO rate in college. Can't win if you can't protect the football.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Icege said:

That's the part that worries me most about Baker tbh. Jimmy is well liked in the locker room, while Sam "is an okay dude." Baker, on the other hand, has documented issues with teammates.

Hopefully the coaching staff doesn't look at that and chalk it up to "passion" that they feel was missing from the team. -_-

/rant


Yea emotions are ok ala Delhomme

but when people start saying they or someone is ‘passionate’ about something…it’s basically code word for annoyingly overbearing

it’s not a compliment 

the greats are emotional, which is ok

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, KillerKat said:

No he wouldnt. He would be too concerned over his completion percentage to take any chances. Pussiest QB I have ever seen.

I mean, Teddy has played for 4 teams and only has a losing record with the Panthers.   Of course he would have a winning record with SF.   Your describing both Teddy and Jimmy G.  Their game is pretty similar.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

Jimmy and Baker had a much better line. 

Tua had a worse line than Sam and played significantly better.  It helps gives you a value of Sam which is significantly lower than a player like Tua who is on a make or break year with the Dolphins this year.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Here’s a summary of the JJ and Luke podcast transcript. Opening / Bryce Young Fifth-Year Option     •    JJ: Breaking news — Panthers picked up Bryce Young’s fifth-year option at $25.9M, guaranteed, coming in 2027. Combined with his 2025 salary of ~$6M, that’s $31M over two years — called it a “no-brainer.”     •    Luke: Enthusiastic about the move. Highlighted Bryce’s improving TD/INT ratios (11/10 → 15/9 → 23/11) and the value of entering year three with Dave Canales. Noted $25M is a bargain relative to the $60M top of market. Luke’s Personal Update — Charlotte Christian Football     •    Luke: Working with Charlotte Christian school football program, which hired a new head coach. Coaches include Greg Olsen, Luke, and Greg’s dad Chris Olsen (a New Jersey State coaching Hall of Famer).     •    JJ: Jokingly quipped that Charlotte Christian’s coaching staff is “the world’s greatest” — a Fox analyst, a Hall of Famer, and the best Panthers RB ever — all coaching middle school football.     •    Luke: Praised Chris Olsen’s deep football knowledge spanning decades and his ability to connect with kids. Round 1, Pick 19 — Monroe Freeling, OT, Georgia     •    JJ: Panthers were on the clock and submitted their pick almost immediately — a sign of confidence and preparation. Freeling is 6’7”, 320 lbs, played in the SEC in a pro-style system.     •    Luke: Loved the pick. Emphasized you can never have too many quality offensive linemen. Noted Freeling’s size, athleticism, and arm length as key traits. Said the pick also reflects team’s philosophy of drafting great people, not just great players.     •    JJ: Noted reporter Darren Gantt compared Freeling favorably to Jordan Gross — bigger, heavier, and faster — as a potential franchise left tackle.     •    Luke: Pointed out that young players like Freeling still have physical development ahead of them, comparing the trajectory to Christian McCaffrey’s growth from age 20 onward. Round 2, Pick 49 — Lee Hunter, DT, Texas Tech     •    JJ: Panthers traded up from 51 to 49 (pick swap with Minnesota) to grab Hunter. Played audio from Panthers area scout Kaden McLuhan, who scouted Hunter.     •    Scout Kaden McLuhan (audio): Said Hunter’s size is immediately striking, and that everyone around him spoke glowingly about his character, energy, and love for the game.     •    Luke: Praised Hunter as a massive (6’3”, 320 lbs, ~34” arms) two-gap nose tackle who fits perfectly in the Evero defense. Compared his prospect profile to Akiem Hicks. Said having Derek Brown, Bobby Brown, Derrick Brown, Terson Wharton, and now Hunter creates varied body types that stress offensive linemen.     •    JJ: Noted Hunter ranked third among all prospects in run-stuff rate and sixth in interior pass-rush win rate — addressing a perception that he couldn’t rush the passer. Rounds 3–7 Highlights     •    Luke: Highlighted WR Brazle (3rd round, 6’4”, 437 speed, 1,000+ yards at Tennessee) as the vertical threat the offense needed. Also praised OL Sam Heck (5th round) as a technically sound player whose “short arms” caused him to fall but who has proven himself.     •    Luke: Mentioned CB Will Lee (6’1”, 33” arms) fits the Panthers’ DB prototype — big, long corners.     •    Luke: Praised S/LB hybrid Zaki Wheatley (5th round, 6’3”) as a big nickel similar to Trayvon Merek.     •    Luke: Excited about the linebacker competition between Devin Lloyd, Trevvin Wallace, and Claudin Cherless.     •    JJ: Noted Panthers had the #1 “steal/overreach” rating in the entire draft — drafting players lower than consensus big boards projected. Around the League     •    Luke: Admitted being “a little jealous” that the Miami Dolphins drafted LB Jacob Rodriguez (Luke’s favorite LB in the draft). Has personal connections to Miami’s coaching staff (Jeff Hafley, DC Shawn Dugen — a childhood teammate).     •    Luke: Also noted Miami’s selection of OT/G Kaden Proctor out of Alabama, who will likely move to guard. League Trends — Bigger Tight Ends / 12 & 13 Personnel     •    JJ: Observed the NFL saw its highest run rate in ~11 years (~52%) and a notable pivot toward big blocking tight ends in this draft.     •    Luke: Explained the cyclical nature of NFL offense/defense evolution — as defenses get smaller to match spread offenses, teams counter with bigger personnel (12/13 formations), which then forces defenses to get bigger at the nickel/“big nickel” spot. Called it an ongoing arms race.
    • Dan Vladar is their best player and that is going to be the difference in the series 
×
×
  • Create New...