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Bill Simmons picks the Panthers to make the playoffs. His points include Baker being a big upgrade, McCaffrey is a top rb if healthy, Matt Rhule teams tend to have a big jump in year 3, we have a talented core on defense, McAdoo should be an upgrade over Brady and we have an exploitable schedule (Cleveland with Jacoby, Arizona without Hopkins). 

The guy on the other end of the debate is skeptical mainly cause Matt Rhule hasn't shown he is an NFL caliber coach, which is fair to say the least. Nice debate though. Hope you enjoy.

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What is this 'Matt Rhule tends to have a big jump in Year 3' BS that continues to perpetuate? His biggest jumps have come from years 1 to 2 (while at Baylor), and otherwise his team continued on whatever trajectory they were on from Year 1 to Year 2.

Carolina had zero improvement from Years 1 to 2, and even looked markedly worse on the field.

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 If there is some magical big jump this year then cool, but it is not following a trend like everyone seems to think it is - Rhule already bucked that trend by failing as hard as the team did last year.

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32 minutes ago, KSpan said:

What is this 'Matt Rhule tends to have a big jump in Year 3' BS that continues to perpetuate? His biggest jumps have come from years 1 to 2 (while at Baylor), and otherwise his team continued on whatever trajectory they were on from Year 1 to Year 2.

Carolina had zero improvement from Years 1 to 2, and even looked markedly worse on the field.

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 If there is some magical big jump this year then cool, but it is not following a trend like everyone seems to think it is - Rhule already bucked that trend by failing as hard as the team did last year.

That’s not true. Last years team did improve.

 

But the most important position became the worst in the NFL.
 

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1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

Bill Simmons picks the Panthers to make the playoffs. His points include Baker being a big upgrade, McCaffrey is a top rb if healthy, Matt Rhule teams tend to have a big jump in year 3, we have a talented core on defense, McAdoo should be an upgrade over Brady and we have an exploitable schedule (Cleveland with Jacoby, Arizona without Hopkins). 

The guy on the other end of the debate is skeptical mainly cause Matt Rhule hasn't shown he is an NFL caliber coach, which is fair to say the least. Nice debate though. Hope you enjoy.

We’re gonna lose Sunday to the Browns 

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1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

Bill Simmons picks the Panthers to make the playoffs. His points include Baker being a big upgrade, McCaffrey is a top rb if healthy, Matt Rhule teams tend to have a big jump in year 3, we have a talented core on defense, McAdoo should be an upgrade over Brady and we have an exploitable schedule (Cleveland with Jacoby, Arizona without Hopkins). 

The guy on the other end of the debate is skeptical mainly cause Matt Rhule hasn't shown he is an NFL caliber coach, which is fair to say the least. Nice debate though. Hope you enjoy.

The other guy is Kevin Clark. He sounds like a Huddler.

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44 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

That’s not true. Last years team did improve.

 

But the most important position became the worst in the NFL.
 

Our passing defense improved (from 15th to 4th avg yards per game) but the run defense based on avg yards per game was worse we dropped from 12th to 13th per espn.com numbers. Based on what little we did to improve our dline after seeing talent walk it would be a tall order to make a jump there if anything a step back is likely.

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48 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

That’s not true. Last years team did improve.

 

But the most important position became the worst in the NFL.
 

The QB position did not improve last year. The OL position did not improve last year. The WR position did not improve last year (and Robby/Robbie regressed hard). The DT position did not improve last year (and Derek Brown found himself benched at one point). DE/edge/pass rush improved primarily because of Reddick, who is now gone. CB arguably improved but Gilmore brought his skills and is gone, and Jackson replicated his 2020 season at best. Scheming and strategy sure as hell didn't improve last year.

No, the team did not improve on the whole last year. And while the new season is about to begin and make last season mostly irrelevant, it remains primary evidence against the whole '3rd year jump' commentary nonsense.

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1 hour ago, Gash said:

The other guy is Kevin Clark. He sounds like a Huddler.

Clark appears to be more open  than some around here to the possibility of a Panthers playoff birth:

You've made a incredibly compelling case I'm almost on board if not for the fact that  my
team like that is the Dolphins.

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Clark appears to be more open  than some around here to the possibility of a Panthers playoff birth:

You've made a incredibly compelling case I'm almost on board if not for the fact that  my
team like that is the Dolphins.

I like the fins too.

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3 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Bill Simmons picks the Panthers to make the playoffs. His points include Baker being a big upgrade, McCaffrey is a top rb if healthy, Matt Rhule teams tend to have a big jump in year 3, we have a talented core on defense, McAdoo should be an upgrade over Brady and we have an exploitable schedule (Cleveland with Jacoby, Arizona without Hopkins). 

The guy on the other end of the debate is skeptical mainly cause Matt Rhule hasn't shown he is an NFL caliber coach, which is fair to say the least. Nice debate though. Hope you enjoy.

It's nice seeing some positive press for a change, but it is Bill Simmons. He should stick to basketball and sucking up to the Celtics.

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