Draft position updates

[Varking]

 

[Krovvy]

2 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

I have a feeling those two second round picks, and next years first, are going to vanish really quickly the first night of the draft.

[Ocpanthertew714]

So it looks like we will procure another top 10 pick this draft.

 

I'm curious, is anyone for moving up to take one of the top two QB prospects??

 

[Krovvy]

4 hours ago, 45catfan said:

You nailed nailed it.  After looking at this roster for next year, seeing our cap situation and seeing that this draft lacks super stars at the top but has good depth, I have come to same realization.  Build the team, find a competent HC, where that HC finds a stud OC and stop chasing franchise QBs for the time being.  When the time is right, snag the QB and stop forcing it. I'm thinking of the Pittsburgh situation when they drafted Big Ben.  He had success because while he played good as a rookie, the surrounding parts made him even better.

We could go this route or continue the failed Matt Rhule model or sabotage a brand new staff as we have seen in Denver when they sunk most of their resources into Russell Wilson.

It's going to be hard to find an offensive coordinator that's a stud without a quarterback. It'll also be impossible to retain them without them being given the head coaching job. That's why a lot of teams bring in offensive coordinators for head coaching positions as you lose them every couple years if they're competent.

[BrisbanePanther]

17 minutes ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

So it looks like we will procure another top 10 pick this draft.

 

I'm curious, is anyone for moving up to take one of the top two QB prospects??

 

This is exactly what will happen. Getting the wins for now may feel nice at the moment for the current coaches and players, the pick price for a new franchise QB keeps going up. 

I'm all for them winning out, as long as we all understand that it means many of this and next year's picks disappearing as @Krovvy said.

[Ocpanthertew714]

1 minute ago, BrisbanePanther said:

This is exactly what will happen. Getting the wins for now may feel nice at the moment for the current coaches and players, the pick price for a new franchise QB keeps going up. 

I'm all for them winning out, as long as we all understand that it means many of this and next year's picks disappearing as @Krovvy said.

I just don't think our GM is the type to move up in the first round.

But only time will tell.

[Jon Snow]

36 minutes ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

So it looks like we will procure another top 10 pick this draft.

 

I'm curious, is anyone for moving up to take one of the top two QB prospects??

 

No, not in this draft. I would just take a shot on one of the other qb's myself. It just depends on who's taken before us or who's available around our selection. 

[run-run-pass-punt]

It's always about the totality of the team, and the leaders directing that collective. An elite QB makes things easier, of course, but it's not a prerequisite to winning. If you have many of the right pieces in place and competent QB play, you can still be a consistent winning team.

Ideally, you want it all, but there's always holes on every NFL roster. It's about building the best group of 53 (55) and coaching staff / front office that you can on a rolling basis.

[45catfan]

56 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It's going to be hard to find an offensive coordinator that's a stud without a quarterback. It'll also be impossible to retain them without them being given the head coaching job. That's why a lot of teams bring in offensive coordinators for head coaching positions as you lose them every couple years if they're competent.

Lateral moves are pretty rare these days and someone is stupid to pass up a promotion because they aren't assured a ideal situation.  If said newbie OC gets looks in 2-3 years for a HC job, that's okay, it means the Panthers should be a playoff team.  Worry about the future as it approaches, worry about the present...now.

[Jon Snow]

12 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

It's always about the totality of the team, and the leaders directing that collective. An elite QB makes things easier, of course, but it's not a prerequisite to winning. If you have many of the right pieces in place and competent QB play, you can still be a consistent winning team.

Ideally, you want it all, but there's always holes on every NFL roster. It's about building the best group of 53 (55) and coaching staff / front office that you can on a rolling basis.

You have a better chance finding a good to great qb than you will an elite one in the draft. Elite qbs are very rare but good qbs can be found in almost every draft if you have a smart staff and a little bit of luck. Great qb's only show up in the draft every 4 or 5 drafts and are usually overlooked.  It's It's all about scheme fit. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Jon Snow

[ForJimmy]

Steelers have a nice lead at half. If they can hold on that has to help.

[Shocker]

Up to 5

For perspective the Steelers went from 5 to 12 with 1 win. 
 

Also the Rams play Denver so more hope there

Edited November 29, 2022 by Shocker

[Mr. Scot]

 

[raleigh-panther]