Drafting a QB is a total crap shoot according to a Hall of Fame QB.

[Panthercougar68]

Zach Wilson more than likely prompted this tweet but honestly I feel like there is some truth to it.

There are so many factors that go into being a franchise guy that there is no easy check list. If finding a franchise guy is easy then there would be 32 franchise guys in the league.

That being said I agree with Fitt that you have to keep swinging till you find one.

What say ye huddle?

[Pejorative Miscreant]

This will warrant 7-10 pages of fighting.  But to answer your question

 

1. He has a point

2. He also has obvious bias

3. Some players drafted in later rounds are successful

4. Some guys drafted in Round 1 bust

5. Round 1 guys have Higher success rate and achievement.  

[rayzor]

He's not wrong. 

Doesn't matter where you take him, it's going to be a risk. There are no safe bets. Not much better off taking him in the top 5 picks than you are in the second half of the first round.

Won't know what you got until you see them play at the pro level. 

[Krovvy]

That settles it. What we need to do is trade for cast-offs and take shots mid to late draft.

I don't know what it is about football comparative to other sports, but the amount of cherry picking of statistics and anecdotes is absurd. How is this difficult to understand.

NFL players are usually drafted, right? So, the higher you draft a player, the more likely that player has to be special. If 5 teams take a player at your position that you need, guess what? That's 5 players missing from your selection pool to find a great player.

[Waldo]

He is a highschool OC coach and NFL network analyst, as far as I can tell he has never even coached in the NFL or done any FO stuff. 

I want to hear what Reid, BB and others like that have to say over Warner.

There is some truth there but if that is all you have as a GM, HC or OC in the NFL and can't see the difference between say Newton and Gabbert coming out then you are going to get fired. What the hell did Reid see with Mahomes or Beane/Daboll with Allen that made them take that swing? That is what I want to hear, not this generic overcomplication of it's hard and imperfect. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Waldo

[Mr. Scot]

 

[mav1234]

In a sense he's right, in that you never really know before a guy plays in the NFL (and for some time at that), but if player evaluations were really worthless across the board you wouldn't see the success rate of draft picks decline with draft position on average.

There's always going to be hits and misses, but QB evaluations can give you an idea of how a player might do.

[Davidson Deac II]

He is mostly correct, but its more like you make an Educated guess and keep your fingers crossed that it works out.  

That being said, we have to draft a qb next year.  Got to try it.  

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

I am so tired of the mental gymnastics people go through to justify having a middle-of-the-pack draft pick. We are obviously at a disadvantage picking 8-12. I don’t wanna hear anymore “positive” spins on this subject 

 

[Panthercougar68]

7 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

I am so tired of the mental gymnastics people go through to justify having a middle-of-the-pack draft pick. We are obviously at a disadvantage picking 8-12. I don’t wanna hear anymore “positive” spins on this subject 

 

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This isn’t spin about draft position?… It’s a discussion on evaluating qbs in general.

 

[Basbear]

Yea, you have to use ALL means to find a QB and keep trying until you do. Panthers are not alone, many others have been looking and still are....

 

You still have to build a whole team. 

[Panthercougar68]

Anyway….it goes back to the question. Are franchise guys molded or they just exist.

As someone stated earlier, is it dumb luck that Josh Allen panned out or is there something in the interviews that peaked Beane and co’s interest to know know that this guy can play in the league.

Makes you wonder at all the players that were said to be busts because of the team were actually just busts in general.

[raleigh-panther]

Let’s face it, there are good college QBs and some have extraordinary physical talent

There has to be a passion and a confidence to play the position 

guts

quick decisions 

i watched fields almost get cut into in the semi conference championships. He was Pissed at the hit.  As hurt as he clearly was, he got up and led them to a TD

That hit caught up to him in the finals 

but the kid got up.  You need a player who competes and when hit in the mouth, gets up, one that works to get better.

Getting hit in the mouth in the nfl happens a lot to top 10 draft picks as the  team they are going to is bad…they better be able to get out of the way.  

Edited December 23, 2022 by raleigh-panther

[LinvilleGorge]

Of course it is. But it's still by far your best bet of finding a franchise QB. They almost never hit free agency unless there are significant injury concerns. Trading for them is still a crap shoot, just ask the Denver Broncos. At least if you're drafting them you're not taking a salary cap beating.