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Dallas remains uncommittal with Kellen Moore

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I posted this another thread but if Kellen Moore is let go from Dallas, I could see him coming in as OC and be one of those "waiting in the wings" guys. I mean, Reich is 61 but still has several years left in him to coach but eventually will need a contingency plan once Reich decides to retire if it gets to that point.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, I'd say the reason why Sean Payton is waiting right now is because nobody really seems to want him that badly.

(we sure didn't)

Not for a 1st round draft pick plus whatever else. He's not exactly the most likable or trustworthy guy, had no problem quitting on the Saints when the roster started looking long in the tooth and finally in cap hell

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3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, I'd say the reason why Sean Payton is waiting right now is because nobody really seems to want him that badly.

(we sure didn't)

Yea I think the whole mid to late first round pick was some bullshit. It’s two firsts minimum imo. And as much as I’d love it, just too much.

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Is Sean Payton a significant upgrade over Mike McCarthy or would they basically be making a sideways move?

Both coached hall of fame caliber quarterbacks at the Saints and Packers.

Both coached in and won 1 Super Bowl and never returned.

McCarthy lost three other NFC championship games and Payton lost two NFC championship games.

McCarthy got 6 division titles to Payton’s 7 division titles.

McCarthy’s record with the Packers was 125-77-2 .618, with a record in the play offs of 10-8 .556. Payton’s record with the Saint’s was 152-89 .631 and 9-8 .529 in the play offs.

Seasons with 10+ wins is 8 to McCarthy and 9 to Payton.

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Their resumes are nearly identical.

Some will obviously give Payton’s offense the edge and call McCarthy’s archaic and question some of his play calling, but realistically there isn’t a great deal in it between them to say one is a significant upgrade over the other. It would be a sideways move in many ways.

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34 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Yea I think the whole mid to late first round pick was some bullshit. It’s two firsts minimum imo. And as much as I’d love it, just too much.

Let’s say we had the quarterback - Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence (etc) - then sending two firsts wouldn’t be a huge problem if we believed that Payton would take that QB to the next level and take us towards Super Bowl contention. 

Obviously losing the chance to add first round talent and giving our rivals that chance hurts, but if the upside is Super Bowl contention it could be a worthwhile short term pain worth enduring. 

However, we don’t have the quarterback and can’t afford to trade away our firsts because we are still rebuilding. So like you, it’s too much to give up. 

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1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

Ohhh ok this has gotten interesting.  Not the biggest Moore fan but he's soo freaking young.  Could see him learning a lot under a guy like Reich.

I know some Dallas fans Last year who wanted McCarthy fired and him have the HC job

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