Carr’s destination betting odds

[Jon Snow]

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

It would be awesome if the Panthers could do both.  I'm somewhat concerned that the Panthers may make some significant personnel changes on defense (considering the preferred schemes of our new DC).  If that's the case, it may limit what the team can do on offense in this year's draft.

Not necessarily.  Say for instance they do something crazy like go defense again at 9. What's to prevent them from moving back into the bottom of the 1st for a qb? Hell they could even trade back into the 15 to 20 range if they just have to have a qb. There's more than one way to skin this cat.

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, travisura said:

 

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Boy does some of that sentiment sound very familiar. I remain of the opinion that our only path forward is via the draft.

[rippadonn]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Not necessarily.  Say for instance they do something crazy like go defense again at 9. What's to prevent them from moving back into the bottom of the 1st for a qb? Hell they could even trade back into the 15 to 20 range if they just have to have a qb. There's more than one way to skin this cat.

*OFFICIAL MYLES MURPHY BANDWAGON MEMBER*

Edited February 14, 2023 by rippadonn

[NanuqoftheNorth]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Not necessarily.  Say for instance they do something crazy like go defense again at 9. What's to prevent them from moving back into the bottom of the 1st for a qb? Hell they could even trade back into the 15 to 20 range if they just have to have a qb. There's more than one way to skin this cat.

Anything is possible.  However, this team has many hungry mouths to feed and only so many draft picks to go around.  Chances are none of these new coaches signed up to hear they'd have to make do with what they already have.  One thing is for sure, this off season promises to be rather entertaining.

Edited February 14, 2023 by NanuqoftheNorth

[TheCasillas]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

You think he's going to play into his forties? For clarification purposes I had the misfortune along with the rest of you of watching a QB built like a greek god physically fall apart by 32. Different circumstances obviously but you can't make assumptions time is undefeated.

No man, the thought that a 5-6 year window of competing for a super bowl is short is the part that is baffling.  Do you know how rare it is for a QB to make it through their entire second contract with a franchise? 

Teams dont have the same QB for 7+ years. In case you havent noticed the past two off seasons and now this upcoming ... teams moving on from QBs is extremely common. They cost too much for a franchise to maintain and acquire talent. 

In the last 20 years, there have been less than 15 total QBs who have played more than 7 seasons with a single team. 8 of those won a super bowl.... (Favre, WIlson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, Manning 1, and Manning 2)

 

Outside of Ben and Brady... those super bowl wins were within their first 7 seasons of being with that franchise...  never won one after.

Edited February 14, 2023 by TheCasillas

[Jackie Lee]

18 minutes ago, frankw said:

If someone wants to venture over to a Raiders forum I'd be curious to hear what the average take is on Carr and his time there now that he is officially gone. He has never lacked the talent. But he just had the lowest completion percentage since his rookie year. How much of it was McDaniels? The other layer is he will be 32 in March. So that's what a 5-6 year window maybe? Not every guy is going to be Brady and play well into their 40's. We should just be as realistic as possible about this knowing not only his circumstances but our own in our failures of pursuing other teams castoffs.

Not very positive lol. 

We got to watch him pitch fits, threaten media figures, cry during press conferences and pretty much take our traditions and reputation and manscape the entire thing into a singularly castration of the Raiders manhood. What did it for me was when he three into triple coverage 2 yards shy of the endzone in his lone playoff game because the very idea of getting hit was so repulsive to him that he refused to be a football player and chose to be a wannabee flag football player. Ironic that his last game as a Raider was exactly that and in a game he lost for his teammates.

[AggieLean]

His lack of playoff experience and success is worrisome. Also, the quickest way to annoy Carr if you pick him up, is drafting a QB. You’re going to have to commit to him, paying between 35 and 40 mil(more than likely), if you’re going after him. 
 

I don’t want. Would rather take a shot in the draft. Would rather go after Stroud or Young.

[RJK]

[Shocker]

27 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Raider fans have the worst extreme takes. Carr is either a golden god or whale shiit.

Sounds like the Huddle tbh

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

No man, the thought that a 5-6 year window of competing for a super bowl is short is the part that is baffling.  Do you know how rare it is for a QB to make it through their entire second contract with a franchise? 

Teams dont have the same QB for 7+ years. In case you havent noticed the past two off seasons and now this upcoming ... teams moving on from QBs is extremely common. They cost too much for a franchise to maintain and acquire talent. 

In the last 20 years, there have been less than 15 total QBs who have played more than 7 seasons with a single team. 8 of those won a super bowl.... (Favre, WIlson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, Manning 1, and Manning 2)

 

Outside of Ben and Brady... those super bowl wins were within their first 7 seasons of being with that franchise...  never won one after.

Yeah we're on different pages here. You thought I meant Super Bowl window I was referring to the time left in Carr's career to win or compete for a championship. If he isnt competing for one in the next couple of seasons it isn't going to happen doesn't matter if it's us or someone else. I'm not in favor of throwing a contract at him so you don't have to convince me. But based on you posting that CBS tweet you seem to be a believer. That's cool.

[SmokinwithWilly]

29 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

In a perfect world the Panthers would draft their next franchise QB and still have enough picks to surround him with talent.  That's not the world we live in.

At #9 the Panthers may have to give up a boatload of pics over several years to draft one of the better rookie QBs and hamstring themselves when it comes to surrounding that rookie with supporting talent.

Or, the Panthers can bring in a vet QB and use their picks to surround him with talent.

It's above my pay grade, but that's why Reich and Fitterer get paid the big bucks.

We've also seen 2 teams (Rams and Bucs) in the last 5 years build the entire support staff, then bring in a QB to take it over the top. They could also take that approach as well since it has worked very recently. 

[travisura]

28 minutes ago, Shocker said:

So not putting the word Reich instead of Tepper is lazy.  Ok

Listen I was just clearing up what I perceived to be a misunderstanding. Your qualm is not with me.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We've also seen 2 teams (Rams and Bucs) in the last 5 years build the entire support staff, then bring in a QB to take it over the top. They could also take that approach as well since it has worked very recently. 

I'm not opposed to that approach either.  It certainly made those teams attractive destinations for two of the better QBs in the league.  Just feels like Panthers fans have suffered long enough and need some signs of hope.  

Looking forward to seeing what the new brain trust comes up with.

Edited February 15, 2023 by NanuqoftheNorth

[frankw]

37 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

At #9 the Panthers may have to give up a boatload of pics over several years to draft one of the better rookie QBs and hamstring themselves when it comes to surrounding that rookie with supporting talent.

Or, the Panthers can bring in a vet QB and use their picks to surround him with talent.

When the time comes you either take the risk or you play it safe. We've seen the results with bringing in other teams leftovers. Try a different approach.