QB breakdowns by Josh McCown

[MHS831]

 Since 2010, we have had all our first round picks.  It was primarily the QB pick that propelled this team to success--Cam. Since Cam was banged up and pretty much done (2018 or so) we have had five first round picks, and they were good selections:  Moore, Burns, Brown, Horn, and Ekwonu.  SOLID. 3 were top 10 picks.

During the last 5 years, the Panthers have gone 29-53.  Those solid, top 10 draft picks were of no use without a QB.

Even if it costs us three first rounders, go get the damn QB if you like him, and I think Stroud will be special.

I realize there is risk and three firsts is a lot--that is why I was not cheering for Wilks in his excellent run at the end of the season.  Meaningless wins vs. first round draft picks--hmmm. Which would I rather have???

Edited March 10, 2023 by MHS831

[ladypanther]

Would like to see his eval of Hooker. We have some smart coaches so I trust them.  I would not be upset if they stay at 9 or even trade down and then get Hooker. Although this place will go nuts...might be fun to watch. 

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 Since 2010, we have had all our first round picks.  It was primarily the QB pick that propelled this team to success--Cam. Since Cam was banged up and pretty much done (2018 or so) we have had five first round picks, and they were good selections:  Moore, Burns, Brown, Horn, and Ekwonu.  SOLID. 3 were top 10 picks.

During the last 5 years, the Panthers have gone 29-53.  Those solid, top 10 draft picks were of no use without a QB.

Even if it costs us three first rounders, go get the damn QB if you like him, and I think Stroud will be special.

I realize there is risk and three firsts is a lot--that is why I was not cheering for Wilks in his excellent run at the end of the season.  Meaningless wins vs. first round draft picks--hmmm. Which would I rather have???

Yeah I can't grasp the people who don't want a QB in the first or even trading up.  If our staff is as good as advertised we would be losing 2 mid to late first rounders for the chance to have a new franchise QB.  I think we are so accustomed to having a top 10 pick we think those first rounders could be CMC, Horn, Brown, or even another Luke but honestly it's more like another Shaq, Benjamin etc...  Burns was a solid pick in the middle of the draft though, but the money we save having a QB on the rookie scale can be used to sign a pass rusher.  

[Soul Rebel]

25 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 Since 2010, we have had all our first round picks.  It was primarily the QB pick that propelled this team to success--Cam. Since Cam was banged up and pretty much done (2018 or so) we have had five first round picks, and they were good selections:  Moore, Burns, Brown, Horn, and Ekwonu.  SOLID. 3 were top 10 picks.

During the last 5 years, the Panthers have gone 29-53.  Those solid, top 10 draft picks were of no use without a QB.

Even if it costs us three first rounders, go get the damn QB if you like him, and I think Stroud will be special.

I realize there is risk and three firsts is a lot--that is why I was not cheering for Wilks in his excellent run at the end of the season.  Meaningless wins vs. first round draft picks--hmmm. Which would I rather have???

Agreed. I don't advocate for giving up this kind of haul, but we won't be in this situation sitting in the top-10 for awhile. We've hit the reset button on 90% of the coaching staff, philosophy, style and scheme. Why not push our chips forward, go all-in and get Stroud/Young. 

Couldn't blame a new coaching staff that has no QB for doing this. 

We would have to give up more assets next year to move into the Williams/Maye/Penix conversation next year.

Rip off the band-aid this year.

[ladypanther]

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah I can't grasp the people who don't want a QB in the first or even trading up.  If our staff is as good as advertised we would be losing 2 mid to late first rounders for the chance to have a new franchise QB.  I think we are so accustomed to having a top 10 pick we think those first rounders could be CMC, Horn, Brown, or even another Luke but honestly it's more like another Shaq, Benjamin etc...  Burns was a solid pick in the middle of the draft though, but the money we save having a QB on the rookie scale can be used to sign a pass rusher.  

Like I said, I trust this staff.  My concern is whether any of these guys are really worth the price.  If Young were taller he would be a no brainer.

[Cuttinedge]

13 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Like I said, I trust this staff.  My concern is whether any of these guys are really worth the price.  If Young were taller he would be a no brainer.

   Nail  on the head 

[bythenbrs]

35 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Would like to see his eval of Hooker. We have some smart coaches so I trust them.  I would not be upset if they stay at 9 or even trade down and then get Hooker. Although this place will go nuts...might be fun to watch. 

You are a wise woman…

[ForJimmy]

15 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Like I said, I trust this staff.  My concern is whether any of these guys are really worth the price.  If Young were taller he would be a no brainer.

Our staff seems to be dialed in on this class and look to be playing the draft route. I guess we will find out in these next few months.

[Castavar]

52 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 Since 2010, we have had all our first round picks.  It was primarily the QB pick that propelled this team to success--Cam. Since Cam was banged up and pretty much done (2018 or so) we have had five first round picks, and they were good selections:  Moore, Burns, Brown, Horn, and Ekwonu.  SOLID. 3 were top 10 picks.

During the last 5 years, the Panthers have gone 29-53.  Those solid, top 10 draft picks were of no use without a QB.

Even if it costs us three first rounders, go get the damn QB if you like him, and I think Stroud will be special.

I realize there is risk and three firsts is a lot--that is why I was not cheering for Wilks in his excellent run at the end of the season.  Meaningless wins vs. first round draft picks--hmmm. Which would I rather have???

[Krovvy]

These were great.

[kungfoodude]

47 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Like I said, I trust this staff.  My concern is whether any of these guys are really worth the price.  If Young were taller he would be a no brainer.

I think if you have to use height against a QB, you can't find any other flaws with him. 

Height is one of the least relevant factors.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think if you have to use height against a QB, you can't find any other flaws with him. 

Height is one of the least relevant factors.

Weight.  Frame.   

[LinvilleGorge]

18 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

They called Young a point guard on a football field 

Hmmm...

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/thomas-brown-describes-offensive-identity-what-he-wants-in-a-qb-more

What kind of quarterback he wants

"A really good one. There's all different kind of guys that come in all shapes and sizes. But to me, it's an ongoing conversation we've had over the last couple days. It's about who fits into this system, being selfless from a mentality standpoint, but also having a point guard mentality. Being able to distribute the ball to your playmakers. And on third down, red zone, two-minute, go play Superman."

[ForJimmy]

32 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think if you have to use height against a QB, you can't find any other flaws with him. 

Height is one of the least relevant factors.

One of my favorite criticisms is "Stroud throws to open WRs."  Umm that's what he is suppose to do???