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Brice Young - Is there anyimprovement through the first 4 weeks?

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Checking in for week five and it seems like there is plenty of blame to go around for Brice and for Frank. The D looks serviceable, and the O looks abysmal. I really appreciated this video on the performance of Brice in his first three games. I would recommend it as it is VERY balanced with where BYhas struggled to adjust and some of the things the coaching is trying to compensate for in his game. 

 

 

There are two things that he said that really struck me. 

1. Brice  has to figure out what he can and cannot get away with on his creative plays (which is where he shines). Direct cause of 2 fumbles.

2. New QB, New HC, New OC that has never worked with the HC and two major injuries on the Oline muddy the waters on evaluation. I totally agree with this as a lot of things have to go right, and the traditional development of a QB is incremental.

 

Overall I was always wary of taking Brice Young so high because I am a big believer in plus athletes at the QB position having a higher floor, and with a rookie QB in a new Offense you are virtually guaranteed to be performing at the floor. Brice is not a + athlete, and all of his "elite" skills only show up when he has mastered a playbook and comfortable with the speed and physicality of the game. Now that we have Brice, I think the only way to appropriately evaluate him is to let him develop so we can see if those positives can succeed in the NFL. Of course the offensive line must play better, and of course the play-calling needs to be better, and of course the WR need more separation, but these aren't problems that can fixed in a week and Brice doesn't have the skill set to immediately impact the game the way that the other 1st round QBs can. It will be a long rookie season, but with the red rifle under the center showed us that there is enough in play-calling and surrounding talent to field a mediocre offense. Strap in for a rough 5 weeks as the Oline, Coaching, and Brice get used to each other. I would expect that it starts to gel Week 8-9.

I think the worst coaching decision that Frank has made this season is that Brice got so few reps in the preseason. His greatest asset was always billed as his processing, and his creativity. To rob him of true gametime reps against NFL level competition in order to "protect" him or to hide the offense was a severe miscalculation. Brice should have played the first half in EVERY preseason game. Wins and losses don't matter, and you could have been three weeks ahead on designing plays and the offense to help Brice have early success.

 

 

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I understand the frustration, I just don’t understand the confusion. Stroud was always the more pro ready pick. I don’t understand drafting young and being surprised that it is going to take some time and development. 
 

I really don’t understand the owner having a knee jerk reaction about it and trying to get us a top level wide out. This will surely cost us even more future draft picks. I don’t think you could bring the top 2 receivers in the league here and it make much of a difference this season. 

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21 minutes ago, ImfromClayton said:

I understand the frustration, I just don’t understand the confusion. Stroud was always the more pro ready pick. I don’t understand drafting young and being surprised that it is going to take some time and development. 
 

I really don’t understand the owner having a knee jerk reaction about it and trying to get us a top level wide out. This will surely cost us even more future draft picks. I don’t think you could bring the top 2 receivers in the league here and it make much of a difference this season. 

It was the other way around. Bryce was supposed to be the more pro ready pick and CJ was supposed to be the one that needed time to develop. Bryce's processing speed and being pro ready was his main points of why he was drafted over CJ and AR. Turns out it was all bullsh*t lol

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27 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

BrYce HAS improved game by game. He completed 19 STRAIGHT passes vs Minn. The fumble was crucial, of course. Still, if we had won the game, the tone would be much different. 

I agree, and the video does a great job of pointing out both Bryce's developments, and the coaching staff seeing things (his drop back timing) and adjusting concepts/formations to fit him. Also, thanks everyone for point out I misspelled Bryce, rookie posting on my part. I will get better as the season progresses.

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1 hour ago, Wolfcop said:

BrYce HAS improved game by game. He completed 19 STRAIGHT passes vs Minn. The fumble was crucial, of course. Still, if we had won the game, the tone would be much different. 

How many of those were behind or at the line of scrimmage?

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When Tepper hired Rhule it was all about Tepper being sold on his process and him being a leader of men and the culture he was going to build. Nothing about Xs and Os football. Tepper got sold on a person not a coach.

The more we hear about Bryce from the Panthers the more we start hearing about how they're sold on the person. Has Tepper done the same thing again? We'll overlook all of the glaring physical concerns and go with the guy Tepper believes in because he's sold on the person.

I don't know, but the logic follows IMO. Especially with it now being heavily rumored that Bryce wasn't the QB Reich wanted. Fitts was always hired to be a yes man. I think most roster calls are his but when Tepper gets involved I think Fitts is programmed to just go with the boss.

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