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Bryce defenders, please give me a reason why you're still hopeful

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3 minutes ago, Cullenator said:

People a lot smarter about football and talent evaluation than I am (or than the collective mind of the Huddle)

If every NFL executive and NFL scout were infallible and all knowing light-years beyond the average fan then half of the teams in the league wouldn't be changing GM's and scouts on a frequent basis.

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14 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

It's his rookie year, he throws guys open and with anticipation often, he's tough for such a little fella, and he isn't the only thing that looks bad about our offense considering the line can't block, the running game is non-existent, the WRs can't get open and the scheme we are running is doing nothing to account for all of the above mentioned issues.

I'd have more confidence in Bryce's future if we cleaned house and hired a young up and coming offensive mind (like Ben Johnson from Det or someone similar) and fired Fitt, but if we keep this staff and that FO together after this season then I will have zero expectations that things will get better.

I’m thinking he throws receivers open because he doesn’t have the velocity to do anything else.  I fear his deep routes (if we can see some) will only work with perfect timing.  It’s great he is able to throw with anticipation, but when that isn’t an option you’re fuged.

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24 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

It's his rookie year, he throws guys open and with anticipation often, he's tough for such a little fella, and he isn't the only thing that looks bad about our offense considering the line can't block, the running game is non-existent, the WRs can't get open and the scheme we are running is doing nothing to account for all of the above mentioned issues.

I'd have more confidence in Bryce's future if we cleaned house and hired a young up and coming offensive mind (like Ben Johnson from Det or someone similar) and fired Fitt, but if we keep this staff and that FO together after this season then I will have zero expectations that things will get better.

No up and coming OC / HC is hitching their wagon to Young.

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Hopeful in terms of what? 

I'm hopeful that he can still be a starting QB in this league - I believe you can win with him in the Russell Wilson sense, with a dominant D and powerful run game. 

I'm no longer hopeful that he can be worth what we paid. That he can be elite. I'm no longer hopeful that we got the best QB in this draft. 

With better (not great, just better) weapons, Bryce would look a lot better. You don't have to fix the line, just give him a Jamaar Chase, heck give him a Higgins, and we'd all feel better about him, but I'm no longer hopeful that he can be an elite, MVP caliber type. 

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I‘m not a believer but if you’re paying me to make a case for him:

1. He has no real run game threat to take pressure off and open up the defense

2. His receivers lack speed, skill or both and are easy to cover and defend thus giving him little opportunity to make big plays

3. His head coach lacks creativity and the ability to create an effective game plan

4. We have the worst GM in the league by a fairly large margin and a roster that missing depth or actual NFL starters at key positions.

5. Until today he’s been fairly accurate and managed to not actually lose the game while also not doing enough to win it.

6. He’s a rookie.

That’s all I got. The list of negatives is longer.

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19 minutes ago, Cullenator said:

People a lot smarter about football and talent evaluation than I am (or than the collective mind of the Huddle) havent given up on him yet so Im following their lead

Where are these smart talent evaluators?

Surely you don't mean in Charlotte? Need I remind you how bad our recent Drafts have been?

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24 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

It's his rookie year, he throws guys open and with anticipation often, he's tough for such a little fella, and he isn't the only thing that looks bad about our offense considering the line can't block, the running game is non-existent, the WRs can't get open and the scheme we are running is doing nothing to account for all of the above mentioned issues.

I'd have more confidence in Bryce's future if we cleaned house and hired a young up and coming offensive mind (like Ben Johnson from Det or someone similar) and fired Fitt, but if we keep this staff and that FO together after this season then I will have zero expectations that things will get better.

 

This is the only serious take (I stopped reading the thread because it's that good). 

 

If you don't think this, you're hurt over not having the shiny rookie QB of this draft in Stroud (I am too but sheesh people) or you are too drunk to be reasonable tonight. 

We're in the suck as a team. Nobody is going to see a well reasoned response as to why we have hope in a rookie who is struggling currently. All I can say is Tua. That's what we have to hope for out of Bryce. To track the way Tua did, let his game feel and decision making lead him where his physical tools lack. But to do that....we need weapons like Tua has.

Fitt is our issue. Until he is gone this team is in the gutter.

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10 minutes ago, WelshPanther said:

Tua. That’s all I’ve got at this point. Bryce is playing on what maybe the worst constructed roster ever put together (especially given the IR issues). Maybe he would be decent on a reasonable team with good coaching.

Still has a noodle arm though

I think Tua holds that offence back. 

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really tough seeing CJ Stroud out there setting NFL records without an all star staff and win now FA adds. 470 yards and 5 TDs today.   CJ might not be consistent yet but the rookie 100000% shows he has special to him.  
 

Bryce was always a high floor low ceiling option. Turns out his floor wasn’t as high as we thought 

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5 minutes ago, emhoward said:

Hopeful in terms of what? 

I'm hopeful that he can still be a starting QB in this league - I believe you can win with him in the Russell Wilson sense, with a dominant D and powerful run game. 

I'm no longer hopeful that he can be worth what we paid. That he can be elite. I'm no longer hopeful that we got the best QB in this draft. 

With better (not great, just better) weapons, Bryce would look a lot better. You don't have to fix the line, just give him a Jamaar Chase, heck give him a Higgins, and we'd all feel better about him, but I'm no longer hopeful that he can be an elite, MVP caliber type. 

He is not a franchise QB.....period

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