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Bryce Young is very similar to Drew Brees but Panthers nation should be patient


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7 minutes ago, Stuart Smith said:

Not with all the self imposed meltdowns we have. Weak O.L. And killing every drive with penalties. It appears this team is not well coached, fundamental errors. 

Most of the meltdowns were Bryce's.  Fumbles and picks in ATL, NO, and today.  That's 3 wins alone.  If Dalton wins the Texans game too, we're sitting at what?  4-4?

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Drew Brees' career was likely made by the change in illegal contact in 2004. He blew up right after that change. Not being able to rough up receivers and being forced to let them run free allowed his best traits to shine.

The YPA going up so much also had to do with the system change.  But what was unlocked in him was not some common thing you can unlock in any draft pick.  Brees had placement, touch, and an uncanny ability to stay on the field even when they weren't really moving the ball.  Got 1st down after first down until they could crack a defense.  

What I'm seeing rookie to rookie is comparable YPA and stat wise, and they have similar sizes, but it's pretty different.  Bryce doesn't press into 1 on 1 coverage with over the shoulder throws like Brees did.  When there wasn't anything there, Brees tried to figure out the layering and deeper placements. Really drove when things weren't even there and it wasn't always pretty.  But that's how he learned.  

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2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

The YPA going up so much also had to do with the system change.  But what was unlocked in him was not some common thing you can unlock in any draft pick.  Brees had placement, touch, and an uncanny ability to stay on the field even when they weren't really moving the ball.  Got 1st down after first down until they could crack a defense.  

What I'm seeing rookie to rookie is comparable YPA and stat wise, and they have similar sizes, but it's pretty different.  Bryce doesn't press into 1 on 1 coverage with over the shoulder throws like Brees did.  When there wasn't anything there, Brees tried to figure out the layering and deeper placements. Really drove when things weren't even there and it wasn't always pretty.  But that's how he learned.  

Rookie to rookie just isn't an apples to apples comparison at all given the different eras though. This is a MUCH more pass happy league with the rules to match than the one Drew Brees was drafted into.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Rookie to rookie just isn't an apples to apples comparison at all given the different eras though. This is a MUCH more pass happy league with the rules to match than the one Drew Brees was drafted into.

Yeah that's true.  Crazy to think early 00s to 10s is another era ago, but I think we're at that point ha.  

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Holy poo, just stop.  Bryce has NOTHING to do with Drew Brees!  Do you have any clue how many QBs have had awful rookie seasons and went on to just be awful?  A helluva lot more than Drew Brees.  The only reasons you mouth breathers even compare him to Brees is because they’re both short!  Jokes on you though because BY9 is eye level with Drew’s mouth.

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1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah that's true.  Crazy to think early 00s to 10s is another era ago, but I think we're at that point ha.  

That change in illegal contact changed everything. It made some careers and it ended some careers. Ricky Manning Jr. was basically turned into a CB that wasn't NFL roster caliber overnight.

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