Kyle Brandt tells people to "pump the brakes" on calling Bryce Young a bust

[Jay Roosevelt]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I do think it's too early to definitively call him a bust but it's also fair to acknowledge that it's trending that direction. I'd have a lot more hope if he was showing more traits that were translating. He just doesn't look the part and I don't mean just his size. His arm. His athleticism. The plays that make you think "okay, that was special". There's a handful of plays that give you hope but there's a mountain of plays that make me say "ugh, this guy ain't it". The fact that we're already having these "is he a bust?" conversations already kinda says it all in terms of how he's looked so far.

The problem is with how bad literally EVERYTHING is around him it does become very hard to pick apart his struggles individually from the team's struggles; that's just the nature of the game.

Is Bryce struggling or is the team struggling around him? The fact is both things can be true at the same time, which makes it extremely hard to pick out the plays where Bryce is at fault, the ones where the talent around him lets him down, and the ones where both are at fault.

It could be that Bryce will be a bust. It could also be that he will continue to get better and eventually reach his potential. My biggest fear is that we'll never be good enough around him to allow for that and we'll either ruin him before he has a chance to grow or move on from him and watch him reach his potential elsewhere.

Regardless of where you stand on Bryce, I think we can ALL agree that we need to do a lot more to surround him with better talent.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Jay Roosevelt said:

The problem is with how bad literally EVERYTHING is around him it does become very hard to pick apart his struggles individually from the team's struggles; that's just the nature of the game.

Is Bryce struggling or is the team struggling around him? The fact is both things can be true at the same time, which makes it extremely hard to pick out the plays where Bryce is at fault, the ones where the talent around him lets him down, and the ones where both are at fault.

It could be that Bryce will be a bust. It could also be that he will continue to get better and eventually reach his potential. My biggest fear is that we'll never be good enough around him to allow for that and we'll either ruin him before he has a chance to grow or move on from him and watch him reach his potential elsewhere.

Regardless of where you stand on Bryce, I think we can ALL agree that we need to do a lot more to surround him with better talent.

Where are the plays where Bryce shines above what you'd expect just an average roster caliber NFL QB to accomplish? Just being honest they're few and far between. That's my concern. That we've made a costly trade up to #1 to draft a QB that has to be lifted up by his team, not a QB who can lift a team up.

[TLGPanthersFan]

34 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Agree. I’m sick of hearing comparisons to historical outliers. Aikman, Elway, Brees, Manning. Those guys are among the best to ever play the game. There’s nothing to compare and it’s really irrelevant to this discussion.

Never been a fan of comparing players or teams. 
It just comes off as cringe and lazy by the people who do it. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by TLGPanthersFan

[Khyber53]

34 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

On the contrary if Bryce wasn’t a #1 pick everyone would unanimously agree he has been terrible and shown little promise and he probably would have been benched for Dalton by now. 

This is very hard to argue against. Still, we've got to wait. And yet, it's going to suck until one day it miraculously doesn't.

I do think the coach needs to challenge him to make things happen, to take control of a game rather than play within what is presented to him. Not many football games are won by playing within the other team's imposed boundaries.

[Growl]

saying “stop comparing him to the greats!” Is a cheap, lazy, and I suspect intentionally intellectually dishonest way of missing the actual argument that was presented.

he’s listing those players because they’re all time greats and thus familiar to broader audiences. Those examples he listed are, obviously, one of many, many, many instances of the historical norm that a rookie QB plays the way that Young has in their rookie season.

17

27

62.96

193

1

3

thats the stat line from the penultimate game of Trevor Lawrence’s rookie season, which btw, was not his worst game of the season.

Young will have another game this season like the one he had Sunday. On the other end, he will have other games like the ones he’s had over the past month.

None of that will mean anything until we get into next season, and no amount of “I saw him look sad on camera” or “THROW THE BOMB AND EXCITE ME” or “why won’t he just dab? Is he not charismatic enough??” is going to be rooted in any kind of meaningful evaluation.

not that the most of that ever would constitute a meaningful evaluation, but you see posters make stupid comments like that unironically all the same.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Growl

[hepcat]

Bryce isn't a bust, yet, but he also isn't a good QB. Anyone with eyes could see he was going to struggle to adapt to the NFL given his small stature. 

[Mr. Scot]

44 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

People aren’t going to like this…

His comments about "game show, instant reaction culture" make it sound like he reads The Huddle.

They also nail a lot of the responses in this thread.

"Well, MY way too early hot take is RIGHT!!!" 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[Bear Hands]

The former MTV reality show guy has a point but didn't make a good argument.  

Citing other QBs in different situations like Elway won't help.  It's like no one wants to actually speak to Bryce's performances.  

The team is one of the worst we've fielded in franchise history, so there's that to deal with that gives some obvious buffer for judgement. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

It's like no one wants to actually speak to Bryce's performances.  

There are QB School videos posted after every game with extensive analysis of his performance.

How much are the resident hot take artists participating in those outside of dropping in to say "nyah he sucks" or "that guy doesn't know what he's talking about"?

Edited November 9, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[frankw]

I see the coping has kicked into high gear early this morning.

Let's play spin the wheel on which hall of fame QB we can compare him to.

[CRA]

I know DeAngelo Williams ain't trying to hear that. 

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are QB School videos posted after every game with extensive analysis of his performance.

How much are the resident hot take artists participating in those outside of dropping in to say "nyah he sucks" or "that guy doesn't know what he's talking about"?

My favorite was JT sucked in the NFL so he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Different opinion so we much ruin his credibility with something that has so clearly been proven as nonsense. Player success does not correlate with good coaches or analysts…

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, BIGH2001 said:

On the contrary if Bryce wasn’t a #1 pick everyone would unanimously agree he has been terrible and shown little promise and he probably would have been benched for Dalton by now. 

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33 minutes ago, Growl said:

saying “stop comparing him to the greats!” Is a cheap, lazy, and I suspect intentionally intellectually dishonest way of missing the actual argument that was presented.

he’s listing those players because they’re all time greats and thus familiar to broader audiences. Those examples he listed are, obviously, one of many, many, many instances of the historical norm that a rookie QB plays the way that Young has in their rookie season.

17

27

62.96

193

1

3

thats the stat line from the penultimate game of Trevor Lawrence’s rookie season, which btw, was not his worst game of the season.

Young will have another game this season like the one he had Sunday. On the other end, he will have other games like the ones he’s had over the past month.

None of that will mean anything until we get into next season, and no amount of “I saw him look sad on camera” or “THROW THE BOMB AND EXCITE ME” or “why won’t he just dab? Is he not charismatic enough??” is going to be rooted in any kind of meaningful evaluation.

not that the most of that ever would constitute a meaningful evaluation, but you see posters make stupid comments like that unironically all the same.

Yep

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

My favorite was JT sucked in the NFL so he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Different opinion so we much ruin his credibility with something that has so clearly been proven as nonsense. Player success does not correlate with good coaches or analysts…

Pretty much...

Hell, some of the best coaches and personnel people never even played the game above the high school or college level.