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I'm Not Out on Bryce (Just Yet)

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I personally felt Anthony Richardson had the most NFL upside (See Cam, Lamar, Hurts as casual projections given his skillset), I was ok with Stroud though he lacked some of the athleticism that is my preference. Bryce was my 3rd choice, the size was a hard sell for me (pretend I used a Druski gif here)

However, I see a TON of people acting like Bryce is the primary issue, or the OL, or the lack of weapons...the OL and weapons have underperformed....but why is that?

Chark has a pro-bowl and a 1,000 yard season to his name with Minshew in JAX

Sanders just came off a 1,200 yard rushing season with PHI and to the ''PHI has a better OL'' folks, please remember that with this SAME offensive line save the injuries we had TWO running backs at / over 5 ypc -- our run game ''literally'' got better in the absence of CMC, now I don't agree with the trade per se, but we did improve running the ball.

The two things ANY rookie QB needs is, first a good defense, and believe it or not ours ranks relatively high (through Week 11 - we are 7th) -- https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2023-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats -- Let that sink in as you ponder the absences of guys like - Shaq Thompson, Justin Houston, Jaycee Horn, YGM, Von Bell, and even Xavier Woods for stints at a time each. 

Secondly you need a good run game, that was the ONE thing we all thought we had after Wilks was not retained with our OL returning...instead Reich scraps the power run / PA game in favor of a primarily Shotgun based approach where we routinely leave our OL that is best suited for a run first approach (as CURRENTLY constructed) and ask them to pass pro 30+ times a game. We all saw the ground success (under center down hill) vs DAL and even just this Sunday the 22 yard PA pass to start the game. 

A coaches job is to maximize what he has, and look to build off that via FA / draft, IMO Frank tried to do what he's comfortable with versus maximizing what we have, and 1-10 is the result. 

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Can’t be out on the kid during year 1. Plenty of rookies struggle early and then get better. Wrong pick but he’s still got plenty of potential. Hopefully the new play calling just completely removes the shackles from this offense and at least lets him throw downfield even if it doesn’t work. No more dink and dunk. 

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The team around young is bad, but young has done nothing to help elevate them either. Hes just to blame as others.

 

Again the bears and giants have teams either just as bad or worse than the panthers. Two different UDFAs have started mid-season and won double the games young has with 10 games.

 

Just the facts. 

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His play is painful to watch and he has so little upside. Even if they build around him with compitence (not happening with Fritterer still here) he looks like he would lose a legit QB competition to a mediocre challenger. Hell I would watch games if Dalton was starting and that's freaking Dalton in his twilight playing years.

Fan how you want or need to but he is not it to me.

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Even as bad as everything else is around him, he just can't make simple NFL level throws.

And I don't even mean the wow plays that elite QB's make, I just mean simple throws such as from one hash to the far sideline on a rope to get there before the defender can break it up.

I don't care how much you improve the rest, when the kid just doesn't have the arm to make throws that 95% of back-ups in the league have the arm to make, he's never going to succeed at a high level, no matter how much is fixed around him.

Also what made him successful in college as his ability to feel the rush and step around it to make plays on the move.  The problem is he's not quick or fast enough to avoid NFL level pass rushers, and all they have to do is get one hand on him and he's then not strong enough to break free.

Everyone kept talking about how he was able to do it in the SEC, so he could do it in the NFL.  But I remember making a thread a while back about that, even in the SEC, outside of a couple teams, most teams have at most 1 or 2 NFL level defenders, so he never regularly had to avoid NFL quality pass rushers.

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1 hour ago, Varking said:

Can’t be out on the kid during year 1. Plenty of rookies struggle early and then get better. Wrong pick but he’s still got plenty of potential. Hopefully the new play calling just completely removes the shackles from this offense and at least lets him throw downfield even if it doesn’t work. No more dink and dunk. 

It's nice to see someone not be completely anti bryce before the first year is over. Especially since him playing well doesn't set our franchise back years

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1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

I personally felt Anthony Richardson had the most NFL upside (See Cam, Lamar, Hurts as casual projections given his skillset), I was ok with Stroud though he lacked some of the athleticism that is my preference. Bryce was my 3rd choice, the size was a hard sell for me (pretend I used a Druski gif here)

However, I see a TON of people acting like Bryce is the primary issue, or the OL, or the lack of weapons...the OL and weapons have underperformed....but why is that?

Chark has a pro-bowl and a 1,000 yard season to his name with Minshew in JAX

Sanders just came off a 1,200 yard rushing season with PHI and to the ''PHI has a better OL'' folks, please remember that with this SAME offensive line save the injuries we had TWO running backs at / over 5 ypc -- our run game ''literally'' got better in the absence of CMC, now I don't agree with the trade per se, but we did improve running the ball.

The two things ANY rookie QB needs is, first a good defense, and believe it or not ours ranks relatively high (through Week 11 - we are 7th) -- https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2023-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats -- Let that sink in as you ponder the absences of guys like - Shaq Thompson, Justin Houston, Jaycee Horn, YGM, Von Bell, and even Xavier Woods for stints at a time each. 

Secondly you need a good run game, that was the ONE thing we all thought we had after Wilks was not retained with our OL returning...instead Reich scraps the power run / PA game in favor of a primarily Shotgun based approach where we routinely leave our OL that is best suited for a run first approach (as CURRENTLY constructed) and ask them to pass pro 30+ times a game. We all saw the ground success (under center down hill) vs DAL and even just this Sunday the 22 yard PA pass to start the game. 

A coaches job is to maximize what he has, and look to build off that via FA / draft, IMO Frank tried to do what he's comfortable with versus maximizing what we have, and 1-10 is the result. 

Bryce will be out in 3 seasons or less.

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