For QB Development: WR vs TE

[Shocker]

5 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

I hope I am wrong, but I’ve got a habit of being right more often times than not. 

SPECIFICALLY, What physical attribute(s) does he possess that will put him in the conversation for being a top 10 qb in the NFL? What will he do, to advance the ball down the field better than the rest of the QBs that we play against? It must be a secret because I’m yet to hear a single person tell me just what the it is. 

we were advertised a pro ready game changer super processor QB and in the process gave up an all pro RB, pro bowler wr  and what is looking like the #1 pick this year…. For a project. That refused to throw at his pro day?!?! You give that up that capitol to trade for prime Brady or Manning.

Our owner dismantled a  team, united as one, playing their hearts out for the most loved head coach in Carolina history. That team had each others’ backs. They were beating peoples’ heads in and setting team rushing records. Our o line were pancaking guys. Oh, and they were winning football games. 

Me being ridiculous… no. Nonplussed, definitely. The hype has yet to be delivered upon. 

 

 

We are all mad and sick of losing.  The point now is to fix this and to fix it requires something our fan base hates.  Patience.  We need a leader we can believe in badly.  That and common sense drafting.  We have to pick the best players available until we are better than other teams.  That will take multiple offseasons outside of Jimmy Johnson redux

[4Corners]

52 minutes ago, Newbie said:

That was after they made the playoffs a couple of times. Sounds like us with Rivera. I’d take Ron back in a second now. 

Ron will be available in about a month. People couldn’t wait to run Riverboat and Cam outta town. Careful what you wish for. 

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, SaltAndPepper said:

I'm curious what you guys think but what do you think is more important / essential to Bryce's growth? A stud WR or a stud TE with pick 33? 

 

And no, you can't say both, pick one over the other and explain why... curious to see what you guys think

First, stud WRs go in the first. Players can do better than draft slot but you get a lot of Mingos and TMJ as well. Last year was the year to draft TEs. Kincaid went late first and La Porta was a few picks before Mingo. A bunch of other TEs went day two as well. Pick 33 would be ideal for a TE but it might not be BPA.

Second, we should not have a targeted position. The pick has to be BPA, period. We have holes so anyone from the first that somehow dropped out of the 1st (not for legit reasons) should be on our radar. We got another crap draft because we weren’t smart enough to realize that Mingo wasn’t close to BPA and a solid/stud TE was BPA. Instead of trading up for a reach edge, we should have traded up to where Levis was picked and got La Porta. It would have cost us a 2024 3rd, basically same as what we spent to get DJ Johnson.

[jfra78]

4 hours ago, Basbear said:

Given Bryce's limited arm, Id say TE. 

Given his arm talent we need a McCaffrey type rb or wr. Someone who can get yac and inflate bryces stats

[mrcompletely11]

9 hours ago, Shocker said:

No it isn’t.  At all.  In a good environment with a solid culture he dominated.  He wasn’t just ok…he dominated.  You are so wrong and uneducated 

if 12 weeks in and you are still leaning into his college career to defend young you probably should log off for a bit

[SteveSmithTD89]

Weapons, weapons, weapons. 

I don't care if its a WR or a TE but I expect multiple to be drafted and or signed in FA this year. I also expect unless Fitt is gone we will probably sign/draft the wrong ones but I digress. 

I expect this offseason to be the swinging of the pendulum the opposite way and to put as many quick twitch speed receivers they can around Bryce. Basically going to be a sink or swim season for him. If he looks like this (or God forbid continues to regress) next season then we have the offense in place to help our new QB1 we draft in the top 3 of 2025. 
 

[Waldo]

Build the lines. Trying to cover up Bryce's deficiencies is like trying to fill a blackhole with sand. Just build the lines and the backup will hit the players he has just fine when the new crew finally does what Reich wasn't allowed to do.

[Shotgun]

9 hours ago, Shocker said:

No it isn’t.  At all.  In a good environment with a solid culture he dominated.  He wasn’t just ok…he dominated.  You are so wrong and uneducated 

so did The Golden Calf of Bristol so what

[parker]

10 hours ago, Newbie said:

You expect us to watch 3 years of this? No one has called Frank Reich incompetent until he had to coach Bryce. 

Your Newbie name is right.  There were a lot of people that didn't want Reich.  He was fired during the season of his last head coaching job too.

[parker]

We need a solid WR.  I doubt we pick one up in FA so best available in the draft.  If one does come available in FA, get that one too.

[Shotgun]

2 minutes ago, parker said:

We need a solid WR.  I doubt we pick one up in FA so best available in the draft.  If one does come available in FA, get that one too.

who's gonna throw them the ball?

[Gapanthersfan]

9 hours ago, Shocker said:

We are all mad and sick of losing.  The point now is to fix this and to fix it requires something our fan base hates.  Patience.  We need a leader we can believe in badly.  That and common sense drafting.  We have to pick the best players available until we are better than other teams.  That will take multiple offseasons outside of Jimmy Johnson redux

If I do not get a specific answer as to what PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES Bryce demonstrates that suggest a successful NFL career, I’ll chock all of this up to trolling. The ability to process is great and all but I need to know what unique physical quality he possesses that will deliver the ball from his hand, to one of our teammates successfully. Currently I’m seeing a short, slow, extremely small kid with a noodle arm and crap mechanics along with awful pocket awareness.

mechanics can be helped, but it will not add the 15-20 mph needed to deliver the ball to our guy. 

He is unable to see over his lineman unless he is in pistol. Physics dictates that his throw will have to have a higher arch (or jump pass) to not get batted down at the los when throwing to the middle of the field. These passes will get eaten alive. It’s simple projectile motion. Math is not an opinion. Our team knows it and the other team really knows it. Passes to the middle of the field will require him to roll out. This makes the throw even longer than it was before, which further exposes his velocity problem. Mechanics can help, but not to the point of being comfortable with longer throws. So essentially, the middle of the field is off limits unless it’s a completely busted coverage. 

Is good attitude and leadership qualities going to stop ducks from going the other way for 6? He does not, and will never possess the physical attributes to be a starting qb in this league. 

[Newbie]

1 hour ago, parker said:

Your Newbie name is right.  There were a lot of people that didn't want Reich.  He was fired during the season of his last head coaching job too.

I didn’t have a problem with him when he was hired. I just want someone competent. It’s obvious now that he doesn’t know how to adapt to his teams strengths and weaknesses. He’s a stick in the mud my way only kind of guy. However, he wanted Stroud because he fit his system and we gave him Bryce who didn’t. I’m struggling to picture Bryce in any system and don’t know why any coach would want to work with him. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Step one is having QB talent to develop. Therein lies the issue.

Bryce's primary issue is having a very low talent ceiling at the NFL level.