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It sucks giving up the 1st overall pick...

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t96 Grand Master

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I'm as down on this team as anyone here and hate Tepper just as much as everyone else and have just about zero confidence whatsoever that under him we'll ever have success. But I am an optimist and heart and it has dawned on me recently that as much as it may suck giving up the fuging 1st overall pick in that trade for Bust Young, the thing that matters absolutely most in this league for winning is not draft position as highlighted by 1st overall pick history. It's having competency/expertise at GM/HC. Do I think we're going to get those with Tepper pulling the strings, no.

 

But as much as it sucks to give up 1st overall, it's not a franchise changing or altering trade by any means. Look at the list of 1st overall picks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_overall_National_Football_League_Draft_picks

Outside of Eric Fisher (a wholly average OT for the Chiefs in a terrible draft year who they got rid of right after he won the 1st SB with them) the last 1st overall pick to actually win a Super Bowl with the team that drafted him was Peyton Manning. Lot of busts, average players, QBs who never quite become truly elite/SB winners, etc. Yes Eli, Stafford won SBs but not with the teams that drafted them. Burrow made a SB but didn't win and seems quite injury prone.

 

Point is, this isn't quite the disaster that it appears to be. Organizations with sustained success are pretty much never picking in the top 10-15 let alone 1st overall, and they still sustain that success, and that success starts with GM/HC. Yes getting a QB in place matters there too but we've seen teams/coaches continue that sustained success with multiple QBs. Reid, Carroll, Harbaugh, Tomlin, even K Shanahan... As much as Tepper sucks, it is conceivable that he could get lucky and hit on a GM/HC combo who could make this team a winner. The right GM would be able to build a team without that pick and without high picks in general (or just a few in early rebuild years). 

 

Maybe I'm just coping for rooting for a dumbass team that went 2-15 after trading away their upcoming 1st round pick but it's a different, more positive perspective. And with the current state of this organization I think we need some occasional positivity. Not blind hope like the whole offseason but some glimpses of positivity. 

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I simply don't feel Young is anywhere near a bust. The oline has been horrible most of the season.  With protection, young has proven he can carve up defenses.  

This last Sunday's game thenoline couldn't block an inanimate object. As much as yall are calling Icky a bust at LT, he was our rightist graded lineman from that game. 

I don't care how good a QB is, they don't stand a chance to be able to perform when their oline is incapable of protecting him. 

Young has been sacked over 50 times already. 

Stop ignoring how bad the lines play is. No matter that the modern NFL more resembles 2 hand touch,  the play in the trenches still is imperative to good play on either side of the ball. 

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It'll be less painful when I don't have to watch Bryce play anymore. Giving the #1 away and having at least the begining of another season of that is infuriating. Cam saved us from more Clausen but now we have to waste another year on this mistake.

Draft a QB late and I'll watch that but damn this build is completely unacceptable and more of it is an issue until it ends.

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2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

DJ Moore and Zay Flowers would have been a killer duo.

 

Darnold would be a stop gap, but can you imagine that scenario for a young QB?

Great receivers make the qb, not the other way around. Look at what Terrell Owens did for Jeff Garcia and Don McNabb, Hopkins made Kyler, Jefferson and Cousins, tyreek and Mahomes. 

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2 hours ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

Great receivers make the qb, not the other way around. Look at what Terrell Owens did for Jeff Garcia and Don McNabb, Hopkins made Kyler, Jefferson and Cousins, tyreek and Mahomes. 

lol Mahomes put up one of the greatest seasons ever without Tyreek and one of like 3 QBs ever to win regular season and SB MVP in the same year, all without Tyreek. Great WRs help great QBs and vice versa, neither "makes" the other.

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3 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I simply don't feel Young is anywhere near a bust. The oline has been horrible most of the season.  With protection, young has proven he can carve up defenses.  

This last Sunday's game thenoline couldn't block an inanimate object. As much as yall are calling Icky a bust at LT, he was our rightist graded lineman from that game. 

I don't care how good a QB is, they don't stand a chance to be able to perform when their oline is incapable of protecting him. 

Young has been sacked over 50 times already. 

Stop ignoring how bad the lines play is. No matter that the modern NFL more resembles 2 hand touch,  the play in the trenches still is imperative to good play on either side of the ball. 

the oline is bad because of the scheme Reich put in.  They are doing better but it will take time under a dfferent scheme.  

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Ya'll are missing the brilliant strategery of Tepp and Fitterer.  We trade Moore and picks to draft Bryce number one in 2023, who becomes the key cog in our 2024 tank strategy, so that we can get the number one pick in 2025.  I tell ya, this is next level strategery, boys...

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