Canales on fixing Bryce's footwork

[OldhamA]

43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Someone needs to make a documentary on this phenomenon at some point looking back on how a QB prospect with so many obvious physical talent red flags duped the majority of the football world when these protests are normally absolutely nit picked to death leading up to the draft.

Sounds like a 30 for 30.

[Jackie Lee]

14 minutes ago, frankw said:

You say I'm simply watering down what you stated then immediately go on to claim "everyone" is calling him a midget. You could just acknowledge you are operating with the same level of bias in this discussion as anyone else you accuse of.

I am hard pressed to recall anyone here that has argued our receivers and oline were very good. Clearly they were not. But you also have to acknowledge Bryce Young didn't help matters himself and that happened apparently more often than you would like to discuss. And if you want to vehemently go to bat for Bryce Young you cannot do so just blanket labeling all the receivers garbage while expecting kid gloves for Bryce Young. Again he played his part. His deep ball all extenuating circumstances aside has been mediocre at best and simply atrocious at worst and that's going back to his proday. It is there for anyone to see. We passed on the QB with the better arm talent. Now we are left to salvage what we can and that is what Canales was hired to do.

You act like he's the first 22 year old QB to be scrutinized. Well sorry but that comes with the territory of being a #1 overall pick. He's had 40+ million reasons to brush it off and get his ass in the weight room and prove any doubters wrong. But apparently he looks exactly the same as last offseason. What are you gonna do eh?

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

johnny football and The Golden Calf of Bristol say whats up

I cant believe its 2024 and its still hard for people to imagine that just because a college player wins a Heisman it doesnt mean they are built for success in pro football. 

I mean its really astonishing. 

[OldhamA]

44 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

So by this logic Kyler Murray should have gone in the 6th round, and Russell Wilson even though he went in the third round should have gone undrafted. Got it

Kyler Murray who was drafted 9th overall by the Oakland A's? Short, but certainly not unathletic. 

[mrcompletely11]

28 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Some of y’all are some miserable people. Find a hobby. 

Are following the Panthers not a hobby?

[rayzor]

5 hours ago, DJ feed me moore said:

I just still cant believe we took this guy over Stroud, I quite literally will never get over it.

You should try. Life will be better once you accept the things you cannot change and hope that it will be better than you think.

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Unlucky how?

It's pretty obvious. If Tepper hasn't pushed so hard to get to one, we would have been at two. The Texans would have taken Bryce and we would've taken Stroud. Plus, we'd have likely been able to keep Moore.

[pantherclaw]

His footwork was shitty because he was running for his life. 

The BS that  gets passed off on here is enough to choke a blue whale.

[Jackie Lee]

32 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

His footwork was shitty because he was running for his life. 

The BS that  gets passed off on here is enough to choke a blue whale.

Oh yeah that explains his extremely casual back pedal and pogo jumping, and the standing on his tippy toes. It's horrible footwork with no urgency or plan. 2.7 seconds is the supposed cut off point so we'll se how he does once he gets done hanging out in Cali and gets back to work 

[SmokinwithWilly]

9 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

So what metric do we use to measure college quarterbacks as NFL prospects then? If what they did as a college starter doesn't matter in terms of what they can do in the NFL then how is a prospect supposed to be analyzed properly? I'm not even talking statistically. I simply mean the body of work they put onto the field. And that absolutely matters in terms of figuring out whether or not this is the quarterback you want to lead an NFL team. This isn't meant to be negative for my end either. This is seriously just my attempt to understand where you're coming from

You start by basically ignoing their game stats and start looking at the player in a vacuum. How do they move? How do they set their feet? Throwing motion, field vision, urgency, progression through reads, feel for the rush, everything that is immediately the control of that individual player. Then you start expanding and adding outside factors, like competition level, blitz performance, elite level players faced, stadium environment, coaching, surrounding cast, game plan.  Keep adding layers to an onion that all contribute to the whole picture. 

Bryce himself has questionable height, limited vision, terrible footwork, subpar arm strength, questionable pocket awareness, questionable decision making ability, and lacks physical strength to evade minimal contact without going down. 

None of those things have anything to do with the players around him. Those things are all Bryce. Can he improve some of those? Yes. Can he do enough to overcome his shortcomings? I don't know, but if he does, I'll be shocked. For the price we paid, he needs to be a legit pro bowl selection for multiple years. 

Personally, I'm not sure he's even an NFL starter by the time his rookie contract is up. 

[MechaZain]

10 hours ago, frankw said:

Nobody feared Bryce's arm talent regardless of the oline or receivers.

We can’t assess that in a vacuum. Defenses don’t care how strong his arm is if the protection and receivers can’t support the deep ball.

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

We can’t assess that in a vacuum. Defenses don’t care how strong his arm is if the protection and receivers can’t support the deep ball.

Sure you can. Velocity, angle, air time, loft, accuracy. Every one of these can be measured without a receiver. Either he can get the ball there at an elite level or he can't. 

[electro's horse]

11 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

So what metric do we use to measure college quarterbacks as NFL prospects then?

Not height apparently. 

it’s part of the evaluation of course. You’d rather be more productive than not. you’d rather them win than not. but there are plenty of recent examples of qbs having pro success who did nothing in college. Hell, Josh Allen barely knew how to play football when he came out. 
 

I kinda misspoke though. College doesn’t matter at all in general, but after one year in the pros, it’s completely immaterial. Especially when a player so obviously isn’t NFL material, like Bryce showed. 
 

Like no one saw this play and said “but what about his college career?”

https://youtu.be/oL71y1r9fw8?si=itDwLJe2sujDrWf6

[electro's horse]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Someone needs to make a documentary on this phenomenon at some point looking back on how a QB prospect with so many obvious physical talent red flags duped the majority of the football world when these protests are normally absolutely nit picked to death leading up to the draft.

I think he would have dropped if the panthers hadn’t taken him. Maybe not as far as like Brady Quinn, but I’m not completely convicted he was Houston’s number 2.