The Athletic FS - Bryce Conversation

[Bear Hands]

Good show this week.  Nothing we don't know, but good content nonetheless because this perspective isn't typically coming from the wider-known publications:  

Bryce Young

• When you watch him, it feels like he gets it.  Mentally, he's there
• He has good-enough, "better-than-Tua" arm strength
• But a big problem is you simply saw none of the traits that make a top-10 QB 
• This is what I thought was an interesting point -> RE: HIS CEILING: People point to the GB game, yes, he made 3-4 REALLY good plays, but still made a lot of bad plays in that game. Bright spots and silver linings are there but the ceiling is apparent.  If he's already good at the things you can change, but not there with what you can't change, then it's an issue. How can he realistically get better?
• Out of structure was his forte in school, overall pocket movement, his "feel" for the position.  When you have those skills, you still need the stature to capitalize on them in the NFL..problem is the physical limitations cap the ability to weaponize his traits as a QB at this level.  "This is why thresholds for size exist"
• He was sold as a "making magic" type, but he simply looks moderately useful.  
• If you're going to be that small and skinny, you need to have that added component (I.E. Kyler with his legs and arm).  
• At the end of the day, you can't properly see what's going on until you have a better supporting cast.  They think we made the right moves to see what he's got this season.  This is not a bad situation anymore.  So what you see will be telling of who he is and can become.  
• If we have a run game that fuels the offense, Bryce could thrive.   Maybe it gives Bryce the room to excel.  

First 11-ish minutes of the clip:

 

[Tbe]

Good video. I think their take on Bryce is spot on.

[TheSpecialJuan]

But, but, but Drew Brees 

[KSpan]

Sounds an awful lot like what many of us have been saying since day one.

[PNW_PantherMan]

The Huddle gearing up to watch this video.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

So they’re saying Bryce could be good but might not be and we will need to wait to see.  There’s a new spin on things. 

[Wundrbread33]

It’s funny: if you talk about Bryce like this on Reddit, they treat you like you are saying the assassination attempt on Trump actually happened. 

[Panthering]

"The stuff he needs to get better at, he can't get better at" (due to physical traits). Insane that we took that kind of player a 1st overall! 

[CRA]

54 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

 

• He was sold as a "making magic" type, but he simply looks moderately useful.  

 

[ForJimmy]

He could be good, but wait and see. Arm strength “better than Tua.” Around here that’s been labeled as “cope.” 

[Castavar]

I just don't see that "IT" factor the was supposed to be the main reason we took him over Stroud. With Cam, you knew right from the jump in that Cincinnati preseason game that he was special (and then he comes out and smokes ARI's defense).

Our only hope is that we surround him with enough talent and a great system that he can become a system QB like Tua or Brees. If we can create a deadly dink and dunk offense like the Saints with Brees or the Brady years with the Pats, then we might have a lil something.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Castavar said:

I just don't see that "IT" factor the was supposed to be the main reason we took him over Stroud. With Cam, you knew right from the jump in that Cincinnati preseason game that he was special (and then he comes out and smokes ARI's defense).

Our only hope is that we surround him with enough talent and a great system that he can become a system QB like Tua or Brees. If we can create a deadly dink and dunk offense like the Saints with Brees or the Brady years with the Pats, then we might have a lil something.

Brees and Brady could nickel and dime folks, especially as they aged....but the prime versions would throw the haymakers and would play aggressive downfield.  They became the king of nickel and dime after HOF careers were already stamped into the books. 

 

[strato]

Gonna have to see that arm strength in action that’s for sure. Never said it Couldn’t work, but man the windows and margins are not minor obstacles. 

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

This is not a bad situation anymore. 

That remains to be seen and it's too early to tell for me.

We don't know how well the line will play, especially without a true starting caliber center on the roster. Will Icky be better at pass pro? Does Moton start falling off? Do the two guards play up to their contracts?

The receiver room looks better on paper, but there's questions there. AT is a year older and slower. DJ is evidently inconsistent and has drop issues. Will Mingo be better? Will TMJ finally develop? Will XL contribute well as a rookie?

Will Chuba keep playing well? Will whoever backs him up play decently? Does Brooks heal and contribute as a rookie?

TE group? Uh... yeah. Still one of the worst TE groups, if not the worst, in the NFL. Hopefully Tremble steps up and Sanders plays well as a rookie. Not holding my breath though.

Will Young take a step and show more of what he did in college that made him the #1 pick? Or has he been Carr'd?

Then there's DC himself. Can he make adjustments all game long? Can he draw up innovative and good plays? Will he play the best players and not just the vets or his guys? Will he be more than a good public speaker or will he end up another Rhule?

All this said, I do hope it's a better situation and not a bad one anymore.