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22 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Just did a mock where I took BPA, ended up with 5 DTs, 2 RB, a WR and a LB

The problem with saying just take bpa is who's bpa are you talking about? Not everyone is going to agree on who's the best player available at that pick. Teams see the best player available as who's the best player for their system at their pick among the players available. We just assume the rankings are all the same but they are really not. 

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9 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

The problem with saying just take bpa is who's bpa are you talking about? Not everyone is going to agree on who's the best player available at that pick. Teams see the best player available as who's the best player for their system at their pick among the players available. We just assume the rankings are all the same but they are really not. 

This is why these guys get paid the big bucks.  It's their job to assess not only the raw evaluation of a player, but also how well they fit the scheme and team.  Often we hear the phrase "dropped of a team's board" in relation to a medical or personal evaluation.  

I do enjoy the draft season so we can see all the hot takes from national media heads down to the loudmouth in the next cubicle over who is a Jets fan.  I've taught with several Jets fans...and I don't feel out of line with my judgement 😃

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10 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

The problem with saying just take bpa is who's bpa are you talking about? Not everyone is going to agree on who's the best player available at that pick. Teams see the best player available as who's the best player for their system at their pick among the players available. We just assume the rankings are all the same but they are really not. 

This is why we always get disagreements from the fans perspective.   Very rarely does the teams big board lineup, or even organized in a way a fan would do it. 

The teams use their scouts and coaching staff to formulate their own big board/players values. It's never set up directly to just one person. 

 

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15 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I do not see it this way--we upgraded, but we will need to draft an Edge, WR, DT, CB, S, OT, and maybe a TE.  That is six or seven needs and I don't really see that as flexibility. 

Agree. But they've mostly put most of those positions at the same level of need. So now they don't need to draft an Edge first over an OT. If OT is the better player, they can draft that position and then an Edge later. 

But out of that list, I'd honestly say FS is the biggest glaring hole. It'll be interesting to see how they approach the draft. A safety at #8 is considered a reach due to value of position.

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BPA only makes sense if you're on a loaded roster.  Way too many holes for Panthers to not also focus on need.  That said, you have to take into account both value and depth of that specific position in the draft

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BPA is an oversimplification in fans minds. For teams it's everything that went into making their boards, which is a lot (some facts and some intangibles like feeling). Teams take entire positions off the board for rounds or entire drafts. You sure didn't see us take a flyer on a late round QB last year for reasons. If teams even knew who really was BPA then they wouldn't flop so hard on so many picks.

BPA is a cop out for fans to hope the people in charge do well and people on teams saying their opinions are correct. It often does not.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Agree. But they've mostly put most of those positions at the same level of need. So now they don't need to draft an Edge first over an OT. If OT is the better player, they can draft that position and then an Edge later. 

But out of that list, I'd honestly say FS is the biggest glaring hole. It'll be interesting to see how they approach the draft. A safety at #8 is considered a reach due to value of position.

I think we can draft an edge in round 2 and after Carter, it is almost a question of what kind of edge do you want more than who is the best player--fit will change the ratings.  I think the front 5 (edge, DL) talent pool in this draft is sick.  If we leave round 2 without one, I think it is a mistake.  I think we can get a starting-level safety in the late second--if we trade back in round 1, I imagine we trade up into round 2.  If we left day 2 with an edge and safety--I would be giddy--like a little girl.  If we could get a TE like Mason Taylor and maybe an OT like Trapoli from BC or maybe a WR like Bech in that range, I would skip and frolic all day. 

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BPA for the Panthers is the best prospect on their boards lined up with their most pressing needs in order of importance as opposed to simply forcing a pick to the point of reaching because they are in love with a particular prospect. The latter is what got Fitterer in trouble on top of constantly thinking he was outsmarting everyone else in the building. Unfortunately Dan Morgan has already pulled one of those moves with Jonathan Brooks. Very hard lesson learned hopefully. If not we are unequivocally doomed.

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